The single biggest issue holding back FFXIV needs to be specifically addressed.

[TirionCrey]

Also, you are somewhat wrong about other games - the delay between me moving in WoW and my brother seeing me do so - on an EU server but playing from the same room, is around 3-4 seconds. I also remember (and still 'enjoy') the target too close messages when a Warrior is ripping into my Hunter because to me he is still a good 25 yards away. Often when I try to sell items they go grey as 'selling' then it can take quite a few moments for them to actually sell.

Sorry Sir, that is your PC(or your bothers PC), not WoW...I played WoW for close to 3 years and lag that is more than 1 second is caused by your PC performance, not the game server. In FFXIV is caused by the game server, which makes it a big thing. If lag would really be an issue in WoW as you claim it to be, things like eSport would be impossible in WoW...

The better your PC is, the less lag you will have in WoW, in FFXIV, no matter how good your PC is, the server based lag will always be there and cmopared to pretty much all MMOs out there no server based lag is as bad as in FFXIV...sadly...

[RopeyDonkey]

I'll give you that its annoying but "crippling" and game being un-enjoyable is just being melodramatic :-/

Its not so noticiable if its the only online game you play, but moving between similar games the difference is enough to make me log off. I hate lag in all its forms. I hate dying when its not my fault. Its such a fundamental flaw I just don't understand how it didn't get addressed pre-alpha...

[RopeyDonkey]

Just IMAGINE how much a weaponskill / magic burst system would fail in these conditions... I wonder if that's why the horrible queued battle regimen system was vomitted into the game? The system can't handle anything that needs timing outside of 'do it before/after JP midnight...'

My experience of this:

No, it doesn't make the game 'unplayable'
Yes, its enough for me to not play the game

It manifests itself in many ways for me, but menu lag does my nut.
- Can't tell if button/key presses have been registered
- Cycling through menus skips options
- Turning left/right can get 'stuck' as it doesn't realise I've let the key go
- Trading...was...horrible (still sucks)
- Battle is flaky when timing is so far off

Loads of new content, lots of it looks promising. Log in -> laggy mess -> log out. Play something else.

I stopped playing FFXI because XIV was coming out - if the early/unfinished release of XIV was due to pushy shareholders or higher-ups, then they've lost revenue of the 18months I would have been playing XI (roughly £100? I forget).

[RopeyDonkey]

Oh, and I play on a decent PC - flat 60 frames/second and low latency ADSL2 connection. No noticeable lag in any other game (of any type). Based in UK.

[Gennosuke]

Truly the biggest hindrance for FFXIV.
I think we can all agree on the severity of this issue, This specific prob is critical for all players, can not be ignored.

If this does get addressed and sorted out, FFXIV will definitely have a much brighter future ahead.
I'd be inclined to believe it is doable since XI worked perfectly fine.

This thread needs to stay alive!

[RopeyDonkey]

bump - needs a dev response, even a vague time-frame, an indication of the level of resources dedicated to it and some insight onto exactly which part of the system is causing the issues (hardware/software etc)

[Coldfire]

Not gonna log in anymore until we get a proper reply.

[Keftenk]

Not gonna log in anymore until we get a proper reply.

Lol you won't ever get a proper reply from SE. If we get a reply to this thread it'll be "We're looking into it!"

[RopeyDonkey]

21 pages and no response reeks of 'oh um... we don't really know...'

[Keftenk]

21 pages and no response reeks of 'oh um... we don't really know...'

It's quite possible that our community reps don't care and haven't sent it off, but seeing as it has so many likes...I doubt that.