Adrenaline skill balance

[Houston009]

I figured you knew what the opinion was already and was waiting to barrel into someone who said they were useless.

You know me all too well. XD

[Domira]

Domira, I'm sorry if I derailed your topic.

No need for apologies, I started the topic but I don't own it.

[Domira]

Your ideas have me indeed very shot down, hopefully SE hires you to impart your wisdom.

I heard it was very difficult and skillful to use a mage LB right next to another mage's LB who is in your group. It must be very difficult placing your blue aoe circle next to another players blue aoe circle. I have trouble even thinking about how hard it is, how much skill it takes to do such a thing. Only bad players will say how easy it is because they don't understand the intricate process of dropping cometeors all across mid.

[SakiKojiro]

I just started pvping recently, and have had little problem doing well as a melee dps. I consider myself an above average player at this point. An outlier. 7/1 is my most common K/D as a dragoon. I eat BLMs for breakfast.

However, do I agree that BLM is overpowered? Yes and no. With dpses like me who will gladly gut a BLM in less than 3 seconds, they can be a non-factor, However once they get rolling its very hard to stop them. Who is to blame for this? The healers. Yep, you read correctly. The healers are to blame. BLMs are extremely squishy and easy to kill. Without a healer to save them I've legit taken on 2 at once and killed both, walked away. WITH a healer quick enough to save them? They start to build that snowball get completely out of hand and blow everything up. Its no secret that healing is way too strong, It has to be that way for the pve content, so its really hard to balance. Kinda' sucks, because on its own BLM isn't really overpowered, but on a team that can keep them alive long enough to all start getting LB's, they start to become a real big problem, real fast.

This is on top of that in general the rotation in pvp is simpler, and very similar to pve, BLM is one of the easiest classes to pick up in pvp at the same time. Sometimes you see 16/0 scores on BLM because of this, and its not cool. I'd hate to see BLM nerfed because of the team synergy. Know how you correct this problem? More tanks and monks. I was on a team recently where our BLMs got absolutely demolished. The enemy team had 2 wars and a paladin who would just rush into the center of our group, lock down the whm and blms at the same time and just beat them down.

[Evtrai]

BLM has natural burst; they are the only DPS in PvP that is best left staying to their PVE rotation.

This is pretty key what you have said here, the PvE rotation for a dragoon, monk, ninja absolutely doesn't work here, the reason why the inmortal flames is so succesful is no other than all the black mages come from Ul'Dah for the most part, so there's no lack of black mages on the flames, it's a horrible inbalance, it's so boring that all the groups I join I end with 6 blm's 2 healers, the ocasional tank or melee dps that gets wrecked as soon as they try to hit the node, or even hit someone else a few yalms from their group.

Unless they get rid of grand companies as a faction or come with some other excuse, this high influx of black mages will always come from the flames, and until they fix the cometeor issue, it will always be a struggle into the winning determinant what group can spam cometeor the most, aka the flames.

[Evtrai]

Not sure if you've noticed yet, but this guy blindly opposes anything that affects pvp, whether the chnages are good or bad

When i was on leviathan i came up against him a few times and he was pretty much a non-factor, yet most of his arguments are about him/a team being better than the person he's arguing with (or in one case, my experience didn't mean anything because i havnt beaten titan EX, lolol)

Don't take him too seriously, you won't get very far trying to argue with someone that has no real input and can't be reasoned with

I realized that now.

[Red_Wolf]

I heard it was very difficult and skillful to use a mage LB right next to another mage's LB who is in your group. It must be very difficult placing your blue aoe circle next to another players blue aoe circle. I have trouble even thinking about how hard it is, how much skill it takes to do such a thing. Only bad players will say how easy it is because they don't understand the intricate process of dropping cometeors all across mid.

It's about as difficult as moving out of the circle.

[Evtrai]

It's about as difficult as moving out of the circle.

Except this is the issue, melee dps for example has the same exact cast time as Blade Dance, while black mage is supposed to have the same cast time as sky shard and it doesn't, it's faster, significantly this combined with latency makes it imposible to dodge, don't confuse the nodes AoE attack with the BLM LB because it's not the same, first the diameter covered by the blm AoE is very large and the nodes is smaller,

If you check the video I posted, the guy Mr Happy is nearly at the edge of the AoE moving as soon as the marker pops and can't dodge it and the time he does because he was nearly at the rim of the marker he still gets hit by it.

It seems to me that a lot of people are confusing the nodes AoE attacks with the Black Mage LB.

[Xenosan]

The content is new. PUG still hasn't decided on basic assignments (ie: In secure, it's become expected party A goes to left flag, B middle, C right).

In Slaughter everyone's just heading up top and trying to 'steal kill.'

By that i mean they focus node, and when they notice a random enemy's health drop 50%~ or so they switch to them in hopes of getting the final hit to score the kill. This does not work.

1) No one else targets them: So it's very likely they are not bursted in unison. A fast Cure 1 won't top them off, but it would enough to keep your burst from killing them; now you've just wasted all your CDs with nothing to show for it. Also, they're probably not CC'd so they can just retreat to break range.

2) Everyone else does targets them: There's 72 players up top. If you're hoping to land the final kill, there's only 1/48 you will. And a 50% chance the kill is going to an opposing team.

Steal kill is an ineffective gamble, but from I've seen it's the only method PUG is interested in. Heaven's forbid a PUG group would use a 1 marker or an /assist macro for easy and coordinated targeting.

[Domira]

Heaven's forbid a PUG group would use a 1 marker or an /assist macro for easy and coordinated targeting.

I call out and mark targets all the time, rarely anyone ever assists.