only 500k subscribers?

[Gardes]

Someone who keeps up with how the Chinese servers are doing told me that it's even more hostile in there due to the payment system. You know, on account of people wasting others' time for under performing and causing wipes over and over (regardless of just simply being ignorant or bad or selfish i-play-how-i-want attitudes). I reckon the majority of westerns players wouldn't like that kind of high pressure environment. They also had patches with promised dates that were extremely late and some such too.

[Meier]

This is old. March 2014. It is nearly march 2015.

Let's see an updated report about this please lol.

[MasamuneBranford]

This is old. March 2014. It is nearly march 2015.

Let's see an updated report about this please lol.

The report was released at the beginning of January of 2015. The report covered FY14 (fiscal year ending 3/31/14). It takes quite some time for an annual report to be released because all of the numbers / reports need to be prepared and then audited. However - as mentioned in my previous post, the 2.5M registered number is used. The 2.5M registered number is a lot more current than 3/31/14. The PS4 version hadn't even released on 3/31/14. The 2.5M number popped up during the TGS. So because 2.5M is a current number - i'm assuming the 500k is also a current number.

[Starlord]

Even if it is 500k, for a MMO P2P, that's a good amount. However, since there is no source for this, there's no way to know if it is 500k or not. I feel we have a good 700-800k.

[Tiggy]

The report was released at the beginning of January of 2015. The report covered FY14 (fiscal year ending 3/31/14). It takes quite some time for an annual report to be released because all of the numbers / reports need to be prepared and then audited. However - as mentioned in my previous post, the 2.5M registered number is used. The 2.5M registered number is a lot more current than 3/31/14. The PS4 version hadn't even released on 3/31/14. The 2.5M number popped up during the TGS. So because 2.5M is a current number - i'm assuming the 500k is also a current number.

That's a very poor way to back that assumption up. The 2.5m number is in no way proof that the 500k is ligit. That logic does not follow and is flawed assumption.

The fact is this. The numbers are 10 months or more out of date. Period. Anything else past that is an assumption. Even the reddit post I listed is just an assumption using a certain methodology, but still an assumption. 10 months is a lot of patches and a lot of time for people to come and go. For today that number listed in the article is irrelevant. It only serves as a historical account of where things were almost a year ago.

[Riviere]

500k is still pretty good.

[MasamuneBranford]

That's a very poor way to back that assumption up. The 2.5m number is in no way proof that the 500k is ligit. That logic does not follow and is flawed assumption.

The fact is this. The numbers are 10 months out of date. Period. Anything else past that is an assumption. Even the reddit post I listed is just an assumption using a certain methodology, but still an assumption.

You clearly don't get how an annual report works. Most companies have calendar tax years 12/31, others have fiscal year tax years of their picking. SE picked 3/31. Once their fiscal year closes - they have to do all of the accounting to determine their assets, liabilities, revenues, expenses, etc. on hand at the end of the FY. Then that information is audited. Then later an annual report is released. What any company wants to accomplish with an annual report is to reassure their investors. An annual report will typically have an opening letter to the investors prior to jumping into the 3/31/14 numbers. The open letter is a current letter that talks about the past (3/31/14), the present (now) and the future (3/31/15). The open letter to the investors mentions the 2.5M registered users and the 500k subscriber number. This opening letter is for a January report. We know for a fact that the 2.5M number is more current than 3/31/14. Why wouldn't the 500k be more current? An opening letter is where a company tries to save face; ie "our FY14 numbers were bad - but we now have 500k subscribers, etc.).

Neither of us can know for certain - but it's laughable that you call my logic flawed. It's more logical to say that 2.5M is a current number so 500k must not be?

[LalaRu]

500k active subs is far more than claimed 2,000k players from f2p publishers, as long as a single f2p player can (and will) have open multiple free accounts, plus all the zergload of RMT accounts banned for good, but still good for marketing numbers about how many players have a publisher.

Remove multiple and RMT accounts and 2,000k become much less than 1,000k.

Remove all freeloaders that does not pay a single cent, and 1,000k become 50k but I am still optimistic. If really a f2p have monthly 50k paying players, the game does not close in a six months timeframe, as I witness every day.

[MasamuneBranford]

Basically you're just not realizing that the numbers are in the opening letter dated January 2015 and not in the report that covers FYE 3/31/14.

[Malevolence]

That's still a pretty good revenue base considering everyone playing has to subscribe. Coming from DCUO, which went F2P less than a year after launch, they would continually tout the number of accounts created (some 18 million) but not get into the numbers concerning 'Legendary' subscribers who paid anywhere from $9.99/mo to $14.99/mo. Is there any potential for something like that here? Vanity mounts and gear would be the way to go I think (though $24.00 for Slepnir is a bit steep). DCUO made their money off of 'Replay Badges' which allows players to run end game content (to gear up as fast as possible) over and over (instead of being locked out) as long as they have the replay badges to do it. And they sell them for a ridiculous price.

I will say I was interested in this game, but didn't commit, until I got bored of DCUO and had the opportunity to play the free trial. I hope their recent recruiting efforts are paying off - this is a really good game (so far).