Thread: Re: 2.5 Dungeon Difficulty

I am pleasantly surprised by the ramp in difficulty for the new 2.5 dungeons. My friends and the other random DF members I've talked with all seem to share the same sentiment: challenge is good!

This sudden shift in difficulty reminds me of playing Brayflox NM for the first time. I'm actually finding myself challenged yet again.

I wanted to congratulate the devs on developing good content for this patch. It is my hope that they continue down this road for future content.

Some things that I noticed were lacking in the EX Dungeons were something akin to the mini bosses in Qarn HM. I'm hoping they take all those good ideas and run with it in the expansion, seeing as they most likely already have the rest of 2.5 planned out.

Tl;dr; thank you devs for the truly extreme dungeons with this patch. Keep it coming

I killed last boss in Keeper of the Lake as a WAR from 30% till dead since my party wiped. Not really that hard. What was really irritating and why I'm probably not going to run these at all if I can help it is the huge amount of forced stops in them, again. 3 mobs and a gate? Then another 3 and a gate? Really?

I enjoyed the challenge of speedruns in ye olde WP. That was fun. These now? They suck since they are so completely controlled that the player is unable to do anything other than exactly what the devs want them to do.

I wouldn't say they made anything more difficult just added lots of fun little mechanics that make people work together. People were complaining that the last sets of HM's were too easy so i guess they decided to make things more complex. It'll hurt the speed runners feelings because they want to faceroll and farm everything in 15 minutes but it at least makes content more interesting. This bar raise in the amount of intelligence needed for people to run things is nice though it's starting to show up some people who were rage quitting dungeons because they couldn't figure things out. Communication and team work should be encouraged in an MMO instead of the "me me me" attitude. Still in WoD you get people whining over who gets to be eaten and who does chains >.>. I'll be glad when everyone is bored of that boss and we don't get people crying because they are not in the nom nom team or just doing what they want and getting eaten anyway.

I think the new dungeons are easier than the 2.4 dungeons the trash mobs don't seem to hit as the 2.4 dungeon ones especially when compared to Qarn. The only part that is harder is that everything has way too much hp.

Originally Posted by Kumabear76

So these new dungeons suck because you may actually have to do things as intended instead of just facerolling through it? Damn, i'm sure that those devs who spend all that time trying to design a fun, engaging dungeon are such horrible incompetent people. Next time, let's just request a giant room with constantly spawning enemies and call it a dungeon, just for players like you.

They'll feel right at home in the last leg of AK HM.

Originally Posted by Ellatrix

I killed last boss in Keeper of the Lake as a WAR from 30% till dead since my party wiped. Not really that hard. What was really irritating and why I'm probably not going to run these at all if I can help it is the huge amount of forced stops in them, again. 3 mobs and a gate? Then another 3 and a gate? Really?

I enjoyed the challenge of speedruns in ye olde WP. That was fun. These now? They suck since they are so completely controlled that the player is unable to do anything other than exactly what the devs want them to do.

As someone that detests speed runs I like this, I mean sure I will change my mind maybe when I am running these dungeons nonstop, but have you tried tanking with 10 mobs shooting AoEs at your face? If not then you have no idea how stressful and irritating it is to try avoiding it all. I am sure the melee don't appreciate speeds runs either.

I would say 2.5's dungeons are easier than 2.4's. Some of the 2.4 bosses, like Sabotender Emperatriz, were hard wipes if everyone wasn't dialed in on mechanics. Some dudes, like Captain Madison, gave undergeared (or just unfocused) parties some trouble.

I think 2.5's bosses would also cause issues if 2 or more members didn't know the mechanics, but I had a pretty easy time going through them figuring out the mechanics from scratch. I think the moves and how you're supposed to handle them are telegraphed much more obviously this time around.

That said, I like every one of 2.5's dungeons more than 2.4's. Lots of interesting trash pulls and change-ups to boss fights. Nothing feels familiar or similar to past fights! The atmosphere, music, and visuals are a big improvement, as well.

Originally Posted by RayneBoemir

As someone that detests speed runs I like this, I mean sure I will change my mind maybe when I am running these dungeons nonstop, but have you tried tanking with 10 mobs shooting AoEs at your face? If not then you have no idea how stressful and irritating it is to try avoiding it all. I am sure the melee don't appreciate speeds runs either.

Yea I have, and it's fun. Players should be able to play at their own pace - not a pace dictated by forced gates to be the slowest possible one.