The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[juniglee]

Alternatively, SE should just turn Hunts into Treasure Hunt type mobs. You accept quest from the Hunting Scholar, you form a party with people who also have the quest, go to the designated spot, pop mob, beat it, get seals.. wait another 4 or something hours for the quest to become active again. For S ranks, though, the party leaders will need to form an alliance, accept the quest, do the required actions to pop their mob (spawns in random location marked on your map, so that two S rank mobs don't appear in the same spot in case another alliance is doing the quest. Required actions will be less restrictive than the current spawning mechanics) and then fight. The S rank quest will become available after 32 or something hours.

This was honestly how I envisioned hunts to be when they were first announced. What the actual hunts became were the zergfests we have today, and are currently complaining about.

[Cadmar]

And beside if folks in the LS are properly disciplined and know to hold until pull time

Not everyone is in one LS. Actually... it's ok for someone in NO LS to still do hunts. Some people... many people I would say, just do hunts when they come up and go on about their day.

So whatever discipline YOU have in YOUR LS really does not apply.

Blacklisting trouble makers, be it spammers, gil sellers, or early pullers is certainly not against the EULA. As collective we have the right blacklist those who are harassing the vast majority of players. Identifying them and blacklisting them is not against anything the EULA. None the verbal harassment needs to happen, just simply identify and blacklist.

The actual blacklisting is fine. It is the witch hunt method of inciting people to blacklist them that is the problem. How can you not see this?

[NyarukoW]

.. It is the witch hunt method of inciting people to blacklist them that is the problem. ...

It is not a witch hunt when you get the corpse of the early puller lying there on the ground. Funny thing is to date I've not had to black list anyone at hunts. Usually when everyone see their dead corpse the early pulling troll is usually too ashamed to show their face around the hunts. But if they insist and try it on subsequent elites, it is not witch hunt for everyone to black list the troll early puller nor is it incitement to have everyone on multiple LS blacklist them and remove them from the LS. It is our only power to defend the large number of player from their trolling for lulz.

[Sapphic]

It is not that complicated when you see the corpse of the early puller on the ground. The identify will be clear to everyone at the hunt.

Good picking and choosing there.

You talk a lot without saying anything. Yes we are guests, SE have the right that we agree to terminate anyones account for any or no reasons, also they own all properties and rights, we do not own a single thing. Not even the client as you pay for the licence to use it in a method you agree to with clicking accept to the EULA and/or ToS.

The account and everything in it belongs to SE.

None of those examples where hypothetical, Ive seen em all happen. Even when they have waited 10 mins+ someone comes later and rages.

[Kaze3434]

It is not a witch hunt when you get the corpse of the early puller lying there on the ground. Funny thing is to date I've not had to black list anyone at hunts. snip

in an earlier post you literally said "chase them off the server". thats the part where you went too far and it becomes harassment. how you dont see that saying in shout "hey, this person early pulled, everyone blacklist,kick from ls and make sure they are unable to hunt" is against the very rules you agree to while playing this game just shows how blind to some things you are.
and just to throw this out there, you say to black list the early puller. what if the "puller" was a fresh player that had no idea what was going on? you have now stunted any kind of growth that this person could have done on the server if all the people at that hunt bl him. good job.

[Thayos]

in an earlier post you literally said "chase them off the server".

There's a fine line between people getting chased away by harassment vs. choosing to leave because they've crapped in their bath water. I'm familiar with the situation being referenced here, and it seems to be the latter.

[Kaze3434]

There's a fine line between people getting chased away by harassment vs. choosing to leave because they've crapped in their bath water. I'm familiar with the situation being referenced here, and it seems to be the latter.

the way it was being said was much closer to the former. saying in shout to black list and then chase off the server is pretty targeted.

[Thayos]

saying in shout to black list and then chase off the server is pretty targeted.

In this case, the people were caught bragging about their trolling efforts in the wrong chat channel... you can't realistically expect people to let that slide. At that point, people are simply reacting to being trolled, and the trolls couldn't take the heat.

[RichardButte]

Unless of course your argument is pointing in a different direction then I will pull my statement entirely and apologize.

I give it a good 60 seconds before pulling. That way, anyone who was actively searching for the mob in this zone or another zone (since we get overlapped windows) has had a chance to get there, and THOSE are the people who are making hunts actually happen in the first place.

Beyond that, if you didn't make it in time, it's no one's fault but your own and I'm not going to feel bad for you.

This is why I want hunt mob HP to scale so it takes ~2 mins to bring down a mob no matter the number of people. 2 minutes is NOTHING in the grand scheme of things, but it'll allow people who were paying attention to get there and get credit.

[RichardButte]

Newsflash. There is no such thing as an early pull. It is a made-up thought. A whimsical idea. A pretentious charade. It is a figment of the imagination.

I define it as when the mob is pulled before the people who were hunting for the mob in that zone or for an overlapping mob in another zone are able to get there in time.

If those people get screwed over, they quit trying to look for mobs and wind up camping the aetheryte like everyone else.

Then, we wind up in the situation mentioned earlier where the hunt mob spawns and no one ever finds it because everyone just camps the aetheryte. :P