The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[NorthernLadMSP]

So the people who were actively searching for the hunt mob when it spawned at the other end of the zone (or different hunt mob in ANOTHER zone) are MORE selfish than the lazy shits camping the aetherite who then immediately pulled when the mob was announced because they "GOTTA HAVE IT NOW", thus ensuring that the person who was actually working to find the mob got 0 credit?

^^^This. I see this all the time. I go to a zone, see dozens of people at the aetheryte AFK, while I actively go searching the zone. Who are the people who always pull the monster? The ones that were standing at the aetheryte doing nothing until the coordinates get shouted.

[Kosmos992k]

I think it was more to how Kosmos worded their post that made the implications. Again, the way their post was worded implies as such with the use of 'confirmed' repeatedly. There was no formal claim, but I can see why Nyaruko would think so.

Bull-crap. Only the most slanted and biased reading of anything I have written in this thread could even come close to the stretch of logic applied by Nyaruko and apparently yourself.The use of the word confirmed means and implies nothing other than to say that the statement I made was a paraphrase (not a direct quote) of what a GM has previously posted. In other words, saying it was confirmed by a GM references the earlier discussions (in August) here on the forum, and the statements made by a GM at that time. After the pretzel logic applied by Nyaruko several times I did post a link to one of the various (and lengthy) hunt topics that one of the GMs has responded to previously. That should be more than sufficient to end this nonsense. Apparently not however...

Which contradicts what the GMs and CMs have actually mentioned in previous topics.

Got a link for that? The posts in the topic I linked to are quite clear regarding matters such as mark resetting, "early" pulling of marks and griefing. As some have noted, my point (since my first post) has been that the act of pulling the mark is completely, and totally within the rules regardless of how many people are waiting around playing with their thumbs while half the server tromps over. What is clearly against the rules is griefing through harassment, whether that be public shaming or a pattern of deliberately pulling aggro on a mark to reset it, or even deliberately pulling a mark to annoy another player - though the last case would be next to impossible to prove without some kind of communication from the offending party that suggests that is their motivation.

Nyaruko has somehow got it in their head that I support people trolling others in-game - which I clearly do not; that I support rude and potentially harassing behavior in-game - which I absolutely do not. Nyaruko's view of me and my posts appears to stem from their very limited and biased reading of the posts made by GMs on the topic of pulling and resetting hunt marks.

I'm not entirely sure how or why Nyaruko (and apparently you) think I am somehow claiming to speak for the GMs, or claiming to be a GM. When someone says something has been confirmed by a GM, that is not a claim to be a GM, nor a claim to speak for the GM. It's simply referencing the fact that supporting statements have been made by a GM previously - in this case there are multiple posts in the topic I linked which directly relate to what I said had been confirmed by a GM.

The only possible way you could twist what I said into Nyaruko's view would be if there had not previously been statements made on this forum by a GM concerning this subject. If that were the case then making a statement regarding the matter and claiming it to be confirmed by a GM would, at least, be claiming to have spoken to a GM on the topic and been given specific guidance by the GM. I made no such claim. This topic has been discussed at length before and there have been contributions by GM and CM team members.

Then again, I'd rather not be a part of this argument between these two, so I'll just leave them be.

But here you are keeping it alive, despite claiming that you would rather not be part of it. Good job staying out of something by stirring the pot.

[Myrhn]

From when it gets discovered and announced over the LS network.

Again from what LS network? I may have a LS that anounce it 60sec before your LS got the info, does that make me an early puller? I think not acording to your definition.

[RichardButte]

Again from what LS network? I may have a LS that anounce it 60sec before your LS got the info, does that make me an early puller? I think not acording to your definition.

I'm connected into the 7 biggest LSs on my server for hunts.

I've been the one to DISCOVER hunt mobs and I've announced them. I've seen the horde of people come running up and immediately pull, less than 30 seconds after the announcement.

SE just needs to give hunt mobs scaling HP and most of this issue will vanish...

[NyarukoW]

... forcing minorities to conform to non-GM and non-SE stated rules/guidelines in for example DF parties aka just some player/group decided rules...you whine about such occurrences yet here you are actively and forcefully trying to justify mob rule harassment with hunts.

Call them "minorities" if you want whitewash the fact that they are, or rather usually a singular is the disruptive troll(s) detrimental to game play for everyone else on the server. And this is not mob rule like the way you wish to misrepresent, this is the community working together to try to build a working system for the benefit of everyone. No one is being excluded from the participating in the hunts or get the hunt rewards. But the early pulling troll dies and no one else shoots and they refuse to res the troll and that is plain obvious evidence of who the troll is. Only those who so preoccupied in defending the trolls right to grief everyone else trying to use the letter or law (in this rules) in attempting delineate between where the "flesh start and with a drop of blood" will resort to labeling the community that is trying to bring everyone together as mob rule.

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Bull-crap. ....The posts in the topic I linked to are quite clear ....

The only problem is the link you provide is about as clear as mud. It was 43 pages of back and forth with nothing being so called "confirmed" , much less "confirmed by GMs".

[Kosmos992k]

The only problem is the link you provide is about as clear as mud. It was 43 pages of back and forth with nothing being so called "confirmed" , much less "confirmed by GMs".

I believe that you are incorrect. The GM made detailed responses in the topic I linked in order to clarify specific points.

[AdamFyi]

SE just needs to give hunt mobs scaling HP and most of this issue will vanish...

I don't think the issue would completely vanish by scaling the mob HP. It's a pretty good suggestion, but it's not a permanent solution. Nonetheless, a solution is better than nothing. This would be a nice addition. Though, people pulling quickly seem to be during prime time by the sounds of it. I went hunting earlier and everyone was pretty patient with the pulls.

[Thayos]

The GM did confirm early pulling isn't against the rules, but he/she also said that, in rare cases, people CAN be disciplined if they're found to be claiming as a means of griefing.

Basically, if you're going to pull early, don't brag to your friends or be an ass about it.

[Kosmos992k]

The GM did confirm early pulling isn't against the rules, but he/she also said that, in rare cases, people CAN be disciplined if they're found to be claiming as a means of griefing.

Basically, if you're going to pull early, don't brag to your friends or be an ass about it.

Um....that's more or less exactly what I have been saying...

[Mercutial]

Maybe it's just our server, but the early pulls have have eased up a bit in the last few days. Maybe the new batch of players just needed to acclimatize themselves to established etiquette?