The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Ametrine]

I've been seeing this on my sever as well, and it is a case of the mobs being zerged down at such a speed that most players, most players, are suddenly rarely making it to them in time. Most people I know who hunted before patch utilized it for Alexandrites, not vanity.

Right before the patch, hunting was such a minor side option that most severs developed a sort of etiquette for hunting. Announce hunt to your FC, LS, and shout channels, chill out for a few minutes while you all party up, and when a large crowd forms, pull, 1-2 minutes later, dead, gold, seals, everyone is happy.

Now, with the massive increase of interest in hunts and the buff in rewards, said crowd of the aforementioned size can form in a matter of seconds, not minutes, and the hunts die so fast that most players don't even realize most of them actually have mechanics to work with and aren't just big mobs with a ton of HP.

Thus, complaining of early pulling. "I used to make it for all the hunts, which one of you dickwads keeps pulling as soon as someone shouts it?" "What, am I supposed to wait for the whole server to show up." "Yes." Because that's kinda what we did before.

Hunting was so easy I was building seals faster than soldiery. I got most of my Evenstar from the seals! So, I do think it's more of an issue that hunting is suddenly so much harder based on how fast you can get there.

Me and my LS have become so disenchanted, that we are more or less giving up on hunts until they die down a bit. I feel like things will start to even out after a few weeks.

[3Jane]

There is no such thing as an early pull, as soon as a full party is assembled they are entitled to pull it. Anything said or done as a reaction is simply harassment. It's a hunt not a bloody charity handout!

[NaliaBrown]

Most people I know who hunted before patch utilized it for Alexandrites, not vanity.

I agree with your whole post, Ametrine, but this is key, I think. With the increase to the allied seals from hunts, i'm more interested in doing them for Alexandrite than for the carbon-whatever stuff. But the whole hunt scene is so unappealing right now that I'm just getting the Alexandrite through other means. Thank goodness Fates are actually a viable source of Alexandrite now. Because I won't be hunting for a while.

[Ashkendor]

what about being a considerate person?
this aint a solo game bro.
other people are there too and what makes you think youre more entitled to things than everyone else? what makes you so special?

A better question is, what makes 500 random people that I don't even know entitled to something that my group found? What makes them so special? Why should I care if they don't get credit for a hunt mob? Sure, it's nice when people share and wait, but they aren't obligated to. If someone decides to try to kill a hunt mob in a small party, more power to them. It's a mob sitting in the open world. It's fair game for anyone.

[Yumi_umi]

Also its kind of like " if a hunt dies and no one knew about it except its killers then would there be so much rage?"
How can u get pissed at something that was never confirmed killed via a website or by shouts. It's cuz ppl type dead.

[StrejdaTom]

Shamers are worse than early pullers.
Also saw a player demanding linkshell leader to kick someone from linkshell for early pulling, that guy insisted that he early pulled by mistake, still got kicked.

Anyways I hunt only during the week and it is fine, only the weekend hunting always brings the biggest crap out of community.

[Kinseykinz]

ive seen plenty of "hunt dead" not even 30 seconds after the very first shout/ls

if thats not early i dont know what is

Early Pulling= somehow pulling the mob before and/or right as it spawns...which would only maybe be possible via cheating (which people aren't doing/referring to when saying 'early pull') But technically, it's the ONLY way to 'Early Pull' a hunt mob.

Also, if the mob dies 30 seconds after the first shout/ls notice is given, guess what? That means enough people were already there in the zone, prepared to kill it. Again, this content wasn't designed for 'everyone on your server to come play wack a mole' or 'to be shared and carebeared' it was supposed to be random happenstance content that you came across while doing other things...and if you stumbled on a mark, you'd call out to maybe others in the zone (or in your LS/FC), gather up with the (key point here) 1-3 parties needed to take it down, do so, have fun part ways. It wasn't content designed to be monitored via TS channels, Dedicated joint ls's, google docs, Guildworks etc. Nor are there any rules (as intended/designed by SE) other than normal mob claim rules. IE if you claim it, it's yours...if you pulled something too powerful and lack the backup, you'll get eaten.

Which brings us back to. There are no Early Pulls. As even if someone solo pulls it...guess what, you can all stand there and let him eat dust...but you don't. Instead, as soon as the mob's name turns purple, people start spamming their +emn skills/killing. You don't wait for friends. You don't take the chance that 'welp that dude will die and we still get what we want' (and by the way...if you let him die, guess who has to release, and run back to get the the mob likely not getting any credit...) Everyone keeps pretending that 'waiting is more noble than pulling' But both are equally selfish...at least one though is playing as intended (the puller btw).

Pretending though, that you have some 'right' to a random Mob, that appeared in a zone you weren't in...didn't see, didn't find on your own, over the person who actually was there, did find it...or at least patiently waited until enough people to reasonably take it down were gathered (and you still weren't there btw at this time) owes you anything, or that they are being selfish is misguided at best. The selfish person is the one who expects everyone else to give up their time, to do something they can simply do without you, until you decide to join them at your leisure. Basically if something pops in the middle of Outer La Noscea, but you were in Gridania crafting at the time, you don't have any 'rights' on it. The people who were actually in Outer La Nosca do...and it's up to them if they want to wait, and how long they wish to wait. Not everyone is in a hunt ls/feels compelled to follow 'made up' rules.

My bigger issue with hunts though (other than the crybaby zone chat I happen across...I don't hunt much as I find it un-necessary) is that SE seemingly learned nothing from this Summer. Although, so did the playerbase. (people, seriously, it's not worth the fighting...you don't NEED the gear upgrades atm...and sooner or later you'll be able to farm the key items for that gear up to your eyeballs from content). There is no reason to over-grind hunts, get pissy with one another or blacklist some dude because he 'pulled early'. Just do something else.

[Spawnie]

with all the constant drama with hunts SE should really consider removing the entire system from ff14 n replace with somethin else ive nvr even bothered with them only time i actually go to an a rank or s rank is if im in the map when some1 says on shout if not i dont even bother ._.

[Skyl1n3]

What I don't understand is there is a 4 hour wait and not all of them are going to be up at the same time so why the f**k do people feel the need to kill it ASAP... when nothing else has been found and reported...?

Sure I can agree you'll want to be a bit hasty when 2 are found simultaneously but for f**k sake it's not like they all pop at the SAME TIME, there is NO HURRY, but no people just like to be arseholes.

[Kiara1]

If that's happening reconsider how you play your job, because honestly this shouldn't be an issue in a party over 5 people.

That doesn't even make sense.
If there are too many people around I get superlag and my character don't even use animations when casting spells. Also as a summoner I don't even know if my dots are up or not, I randomly use fester to see how much damage is done, and before I can put up the dots I think is missing the hunt is dead.
If I do it as blm my cast bar will continue forever and never cast the spell
If I do it was white mage and spam medica my team mates dont even get the heals cause I can't see them even if they are right next to me on the minimap

Explain to me how lag and how well you play your job is related?

Naah if I find a hunt I pull it as soon as I see we are around 15-20 people because I don't wanna risk losing reward cause I was nice and waited for half the server