The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Elusana_Celah]

Hunts anger and frustrate me due to how the mechanics operate. So... I just don't do them. I'll live without carbons from hunts lol really. People who force themselves to do things that stress them out and anger them need to take a chill and realize they are playing a game and games should be played to have fun. FFXIV offers a lot of content so choose what is fun and ignore the unfun stuff.

[Lucke]

SE themselves said Early pulling isn't a thing. If you are there and can take the mark, do it. Spamming the shout channel calling the team that pulled it all kinds of names is supposed to be considerate? HA! I never said anything about hunting solo (unless it's a B rank which are "supposed" to be solo). I was talking about me and my friends there at a mark ready to fight. If I claim that mob, yes, I'm more entitled to it than you. You wanna be entitled to the mob, then pull it. What makes you so special? Why do I have to wait for everyone and their mothers to get there when my team and I are ready to go? There is no rule that says I have to wait for 90% of the server to show up. Sorry.

[Kiara1]

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I agree with you. I think the hunts are so silly and people always say it's an early pull. I think early pull means "I wasn't there in time so it was early" but if half the server is there then maybe that player should consider joining other linkshells that updates hunts announcements quicker.

[aisustrong]

I agree with you. I think the hunts are so silly and people always say it's an early pull. I think early pull means "I wasn't there in time so it was early" but if half the server is there then maybe that player should consider joining other linkshells that updates hunts announcements quicker.

ive seen plenty of "hunt dead" not even 30 seconds after the very first shout/ls

if thats not early i dont know what is

[stuscott]

ive seen plenty of "hunt dead" not even 30 seconds after the very first shout/ls

if thats not early i dont know what is

Open world content without a timer can never technically be pulled "early"

[Tyrial]

Open world content without a timer can never technically be pulled "early"

Right, which goes right back to the question of: Why do you need to claim it immediately? Why can't you wait for others to come too?

You get no extra rewards for being the one to claim the Hunt Mark, no less reward for allowing more people to show up. It's not like in XI where once you claimed the mob nobody else could touch it so you had to claim as soon as it spawned or risk losing your chance at the drops.

[Intaki]

Open world content without a timer can never technically be pulled "early"

^You wanna guarantee full credit for a hunt? Find it before anyone else does.

[Kinseykinz]

ive seen plenty of "hunt dead" not even 30 seconds after the very first shout/ls

if thats not early i dont know what is

Early Pulling= somehow pulling the mob before and/or right as it spawns...which would only maybe be possible via cheating (which people aren't doing/referring to when saying 'early pull') But technically, it's the ONLY way to 'Early Pull' a hunt mob.

Also, if the mob dies 30 seconds after the first shout/ls notice is given, guess what? That means enough people were already there in the zone, prepared to kill it. Again, this content wasn't designed for 'everyone on your server to come play wack a mole' or 'to be shared and carebeared' it was supposed to be random happenstance content that you came across while doing other things...and if you stumbled on a mark, you'd call out to maybe others in the zone (or in your LS/FC), gather up with the (key point here) 1-3 parties needed to take it down, do so, have fun part ways. It wasn't content designed to be monitored via TS channels, Dedicated joint ls's, google docs, Guildworks etc. Nor are there any rules (as intended/designed by SE) other than normal mob claim rules. IE if you claim it, it's yours...if you pulled something too powerful and lack the backup, you'll get eaten.

Which brings us back to. There are no Early Pulls. As even if someone solo pulls it...guess what, you can all stand there and let him eat dust...but you don't. Instead, as soon as the mob's name turns purple, people start spamming their +emn skills/killing. You don't wait for friends. You don't take the chance that 'welp that dude will die and we still get what we want' (and by the way...if you let him die, guess who has to release, and run back to get the the mob likely not getting any credit...) Everyone keeps pretending that 'waiting is more noble than pulling' But both are equally selfish...at least one though is playing as intended (the puller btw).

Pretending though, that you have some 'right' to a random Mob, that appeared in a zone you weren't in...didn't see, didn't find on your own, over the person who actually was there, did find it...or at least patiently waited until enough people to reasonably take it down were gathered (and you still weren't there btw at this time) owes you anything, or that they are being selfish is misguided at best. The selfish person is the one who expects everyone else to give up their time, to do something they can simply do without you, until you decide to join them at your leisure. Basically if something pops in the middle of Outer La Noscea, but you were in Gridania crafting at the time, you don't have any 'rights' on it. The people who were actually in Outer La Nosca do...and it's up to them if they want to wait, and how long they wish to wait. Not everyone is in a hunt ls/feels compelled to follow 'made up' rules.

My bigger issue with hunts though (other than the crybaby zone chat I happen across...I don't hunt much as I find it un-necessary) is that SE seemingly learned nothing from this Summer. Although, so did the playerbase. (people, seriously, it's not worth the fighting...you don't NEED the gear upgrades atm...and sooner or later you'll be able to farm the key items for that gear up to your eyeballs from content). There is no reason to over-grind hunts, get pissy with one another or blacklist some dude because he 'pulled early'. Just do something else.

[Ilitsa]

ive seen plenty of "hunt dead" not even 30 seconds after the very first shout/ls

if thats not early i dont know what is

I guess you don't know what is then, SE already established Hunts are Fair game, B's are intended for single players, A's for small groups, and S's for larger groups. If the group that finds it can take it, it's fair game. Just because some people feel that their entitled to every hunt mark that spawns, doesn't make it fact. Personally, when I find one, I'll shout it's coordinates once, wait 1:30 and then pull. If someone doesn't like it, they can take it up with SE

Just as you have the "right" to early pull, other peopel in the server also have the "right" to blacklist you and tell all their friends to do so.

100% agreed there. And it goes the other way too, if some schmuck wants to sit there and be an internet warrior behind their keyboard and call people every name under the sun, it's in my every right to blist them and tell all my friends to do so as well, the bad attitude hunts brought out only make me want to kill them sooner though, just to piss those people off that much more.

[Xellos2099]

I guess you don't know what is then, SE already established Hunts are Fair game, B's are intended for single players, A's for small groups, and S's for larger groups. If the group that finds it can take it, it's fair game. Just because some people feel that their entitled to every hunt mark that spawns, doesn't make it fact. Personally, when I find one, I'll shout it's coordinates once, wait 1:30 and then pull. If someone doesn't like it, they can take it up with SE.

Dude, in you way of thinking, it is ok to scheme people out of their life saving just because it is "legal" to do so.