The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[Tayolynn]

TL;DR the entire thread, but as someone stated earlier, participating in the hunts now is only gonna get you stressed out and irritated with the abundance of d-bags and trolls. Might I suggest just working with gaining allied seals from weekly hunt marks and daily marks. The daily marks should total up to about 50-60 seals. It's not as much as the amount as "A" and "S" ranks give in a day, but at least you have your sanity and avoid a-holes.

For the others who are currently in hunts, early pulling should only be considered bad if someone pulls early once they arrive and that puller is not the one who found the hunt. Sometimes the person who found the hunt pulls when he/she feels there's enough people to take out the mark. I was in a party where we pulled when there was enough because one of our members can't get a hit in when there's even a quarter of the server present. There's a lot of grey areas on what's considered okay and what's not. Either way, it's best to steer clear of it, unless you are really good at finding marks or you're a masochist and like the stress.

[Giantbane]

TL;DR the entire thread, but as someone stated earlier, participating in the hunts now is only gonna get you stressed out and irritated with the abundance of d-bags and trolls. Might I suggest just working with gaining allied seals from weekly hunt marks and daily marks. The daily marks should total up to about 50-60 seals. It's not as much as the amount as "A" and "S" ranks give in a day, but at least you have your sanity and avoid a-holes.

For the others who are currently in hunts, early pulling should only be considered bad if someone pulls early once they arrive and that puller is not the one who found the hunt. Sometimes the person who found the hunt pulls when he/she feels there's enough people to take out the mark. I was in a party where we pulled when there was enough because one of our members can't get a hit in when there's even a quarter of the server present. There's a lot of grey areas on what's considered okay and what's not. Either way, it's best to steer clear of it, unless you are really good at finding marks or you're a masochist and like the stress.

Sadly part of the daily involves waiting around for fates for a measly few seals. I REALLY wish they'd switch the daily and weekly and adjust the rewards accordingly. Finding a B rank (which is always up now) is no big deal and something I wouldn't mind on a daily basis. It would also make the B rank achievements something that might happen. Waiting around for FATES is bad enough when it's part of Animus, but doing on a daily basis is a waste of time. Once a week for FATE hunts is enough.

I also wish the *big* fate monsters would drop seals too. Too often Cancer, Gorgimera and that boss on "the eyes have it" just sit around with not enough people to bother killing them. If they gave out some reasonable amount of seals, it would help out characters leveling in that area.

[Tayolynn]

Sadly part of the daily involves waiting around for fates for a measly few seals. I REALLY wish they'd switch the daily and weekly and adjust the rewards accordingly. Finding a B rank (which is always up now) is no big deal and something I wouldn't mind on a daily basis. It would also make the B rank achievements something that might happen. Waiting around for FATES is bad enough when it's part of Animus, but doing on a daily basis is a waste of time. Once a week for FATE hunts is enough.

I also wish the *big* fate monsters would drop seals too. Too often Cancer, Gorgimera and that boss on "the eyes have it" just sit around with not enough people to bother killing them. If they gave out some reasonable amount of seals, it would help out characters leveling in that area.

Those are good suggestions, and I agree that SE should switch up the daily and weekly hunts. They should also implement the allied seal rewards in the big fates and even in dungeon daily roulettes. Sadly it's either go at it at your own pace, but it's tedious and underworthy, or join the hunt madness full that's practically a civil war cesspool.

[Yukiko]

Sadly part of the daily involves waiting around for fates for a measly few seals. I REALLY wish they'd switch the daily and weekly and adjust the rewards accordingly. Finding a B rank (which is always up now) is no big deal and something I wouldn't mind on a daily basis. It would also make the B rank achievements something that might happen. Waiting around for FATES is bad enough when it's part of Animus, but doing on a daily basis is a waste of time. Once a week for FATE hunts is enough.

I also wish the *big* fate monsters would drop seals too. Too often Cancer, Gorgimera and that boss on "the eyes have it" just sit around with not enough people to bother killing them. If they gave out some reasonable amount of seals, it would help out characters leveling in that area.

Actually a very good idea!

[Thayos]

It reminds me more of this: http://goo.gl/IFT9IE

That's a good one too... man, that Bill Gates was a D-bag!

Biggest difference is that nobody has to worry about "stealing" hunt loot first, because the reward expands to the number of people who are able to be there at the point it's claimed. Other than that, Bill Gates in that vid totally captures the early puller mentality.

[DoctorPepper]

I agree with the OP, name shaming in shout due to "early pulling" of hunts is childish and malicious. There is absolutely no circumstance that would make this ok in my opinion, act your age and be the bigger person.

Odds are if you are late to the hunt then you weren't even hunting, you were doing something else while other people do the work and responded to a shout or a callout in LS chat. Even if you were hunting, you didn't find the monster first and nobody is obligated to wait for you or your outdated hardware (looking at you ps3).

To be honest, people are lucky that there are shouts or LS callouts to begin with, be happy with what you get and stop taking it for granted, you are not entitled to every single hunt you happen to respond to a shout for and if you don't make it on time it's nobodies fault but your own in my opinion.

[Xellos2099]

Typical American selfish way of thinking. Actually, it is this kind of thinking of thinking of nothing but benefit of yourself with zero consideration of others that cause the financial collapse of 2008. If you want to early pull, go right ahead, it is perfectly legal to do so, karma will catch up to you eventually. But do not blame people if you become the most unpopular person in the server. Just as you have the "right" to early pull, other peopel in the server also have the "right" to blacklist you and tell all their friends to do so.

[Stihllodeing]

Typical American selfish way of thinking. Actually, it is this kind of thinking of thinking of nothing but benefit of yourself with zero consideration of others that cause the financial collapse of 2008. If you want to early pull, go right ahead, it is perfectly legal to do so, karma will catch up to you eventually. But do not blame people if you become the most unpopular person in the server. Just as you have the "right" to early pull, other peopel in the server also have the "right" to blacklist you and tell all their friends to do so.

Riiiiiight. Being selfish is exclusive to Americans. And anyone who says otherwise is stealing my internet karma!!!

What a dumb thing to say.

[Buff_Archer]

Someone who finds a hunt mark with their party first and pulls it- not a troll.
Someone who doesn't find a hunt mark, and is simply near the front of the line of people to get there immediately after it's announced (and before the person who found its party can even arrive) and who pulls it- definitely a troll.

Some do it over and over while there's a couple dozen people behind them who perhaps might not have the same VOIP client or unauthorized plug-in to help them get there as fast. People in the game can dick each other over without breaking the ToS, and that's what Naming and Shaming is meant to be used for. I don't do hunts anymore because I find the content disappointing- it could have been challenging and fun, more like Odin/Behemoth or the 30 min 'ooh this is too hard for most people to bother with' fates and less like 100 people in a tightly packed room trying to stomp on an ant and get credit for it. But I do like seeing other people do it.

[Giantbane]

Someone who finds a hunt mark with their party first and pulls it- not a troll.

Yes and no. SE has created a situation where pretty much everyone can get credit in a properly set up environment (you should only hunt as a tank with Defiance/Shield Oath up or a WHM, or *maybe* a MNK to strip buffs off certain hunt targets). So anyone who finds a hunt has a choice, they can either choose to just kill it (or not wait for very long), or they can do shouts and share it with others who are hunting. They'll receive the same reward either way. However, if they share, then everyone gets credit and they didn't have to do anything other than wait a couple min.

Moreover, if you wait, it's going to increase the likelihood that others will wait for you. So it can help you out too.

So while anyone that pulls pretty quickly may not be a "troll", they are kind of being a dick when they didn't have to be.