The Hunt Public Shaming Needs to end

[AdamFyi]

Off-peak hunt hours in Cactuar is pretty civil last I checked. We don't usually encounter such behavior all the time. Then again, most of the hunt linkshells are linked with each other and news spreads pretty fast.

I guess it's because we're trying to be organized so that everyone has the chance for the rewards. Sure, we get some people not getting full credit, but usually we would tell them that something is better than nothing.

So yeah, we do this so that the hunts are well organized and almost everyone can get the highest rewards. Plus it makes it easier to locate the marks since we can keep track of the moment they are found/killed.

I guess for the most part, some people complain about early pulls is not because they didn't try to get to the area as fast as other people - moreso they couldn't genuinely make it in time. I know that when multiple areas are open for a spawn, we have people spread out to search. Now that we can't teleport when we gain any sort of aggro, it's kind of difficult to reach the area in time especially if it is in a different zone and this person is in an enemy stronghold.

[Nephera]

This is the real pvp right here.

[rblyell]

If you think early pulling isn't an issue then you refuse to understand the concept, and stop complaining about others asking for you to be courtesy. And if you are having an issue with early pulls find a better time to do it that isn't as congested, and stop asking for others to be courteous (see this Forum's replies to civil responses).

[Yukiko]

@Kinseykinz: You repeat yourself without understanding what i was saying...
Waiting on Ätherite for the crowd is in fact giving up hunting, as you said something about "active hunting". Thats your suggestion with "beeing too late, your fault" - so for not beeing late i HAVE TO not move away and SEARCH... "caring sharing free-for everyone who wants it thing", argumenting with using fear is Populism. Can we please try to find solutions and not fight against each other?

1) Timwindow for Regions/Areas to control player population (spread out, with 2 Areas or 3 at same time)
2) Some sort of Claim-System (its hunting after all and first sees, first gets is good)
3) Respawn within timewindow if someone claimed it, the others can continue hunting
4) S-Rank is ment to be beaten from alliances of 24 players -> adjust the claim system
5) Add some SS-Rank World bosses where the server needs to gather (1.xx treants level 99) -> maybe impossible because server traffic
6) To force players spread out, within timewindow you earn the loot from same monster only once!

Edit: I just wonder why you always try to attack me directly? You dont know how i am hunting and what i am trying to tell you is the daily situation "everyone" have, its not personal experiance or personal "beeing to late" it is a fact of a broken system! FC, LS and friends are gathering those informations and i was talking in general. Most of your text you are expecting ME to be late or ME not active hunting or ME not telling "others", beside you come now with telling location orders while not knowing how i do it... All that stuff about "just because in that area", "the people have already gathered" and so on... Are you talking general? It sounds like you are pointing at me and thats bad argumentation, but good Populism.

[Kinseykinz]

@Kinseykinz: You repeat yourself without understanding what i was saying...


Edit: I just wonder why you always try to attack me directly? You dont know how i am hunting and what i am trying to tell you is the daily situation "everyone" have, its not personal experiance or personal "beeing to late" it is a fact of a broken system! FC, LS and friends are gathering those informations and i was talking in general. Most of your text you are expecting ME to be late or ME not active hunting or ME not telling "others", beside you come now with telling location orders while not knowing how i do it... All that stuff about "just because in that area", "the people have already gathered" and so on... Are you talking general? It sounds like you are pointing at me and thats bad argumentation, but good Populism.

because @ Kinseykinz = you are talking directly to me so I am responding directly back. I am not attacking you, I'm responding. And in general 'your side' (which is what I'm referring to by the way, you and people who agree with you...English is sure a funny language in that 'you' can be both singular and plural) keeps creating issues that go above and beyond what hunts were designed to be.

So do I think it's stupid that SE keeps gating 'gear upgrades' behind a system that can be easily manipulated? Yup.
Do I think anyone actually needs any of the hunt items/drops? Nope.
Do I think it's childish to name-call in shout for really any reason (not just hunt related). Yup.
Do I think this system brings out the cesspool of the community. Yup.
Do I think anyone has more 'right' over a mob than anyone else. Nope.
Is it possible to pull early? Nope.
Do the people who actually designed the game believe you can pull early? Nope.
Nor was this content designed to be played in the manner it currently is. Now that's of course 100% on SE that they designed it in such a way+ added rewards people would want and want fast=the problem.
Am I fully aware that different servers have differing degrees of 'nastiness' when it comes to the hunt. Sure am. It's 80% of the reason I left my old server. Because even though I wasn't even actively hunting, I was so tired of the /sh bickering it was ruining my enjoyment of the game/game atmosphere.


PS: All they need to do to 'fix' the hunts is stop putting the tome gear upgrade items in them and/or make it so AT THE SAME TIME, these same items drop in other places. Heck, they could make it so the occasional leve dropped an Unstained Mark Log. Even that would lessen the mass of people scrambling to do them. It makes no sense why they don't allow WoD to drop the items at the same time they release them via the hunts though. (The WoD quest could even just give you 2 Unstained Mark Logs a week as that would equal an accessory upgrade every week or a gear upgrade every-other) My point, it's these stupid logs that are making people frenzy. And SE made it WORSE by effectively making the same gear upgrade from this summer now cost what? double even with 'inflation' meaning people need to grind hunts more for the same upgrades.


All your (this time I do mean you personally) ideas to fix Hunts would just either hamper down the system, or make it even in some respects worse. Which is the other problem. The actual mechanics behind how hunts work are just fine...and we know this if for no other reason than once the coveted items gained from this activity are gained fairly easily through other means...and to some degree when the initial wave of 'must have it now Sally's' get what they want, typically hunts die down and are reasonable (and for the most part civil) on most if not all, servers. So it's not the actual system, or the hunts themselves that are causing the issue...but the rewards for what is seen as 'little effort' on the community's end that is.


And the 'everyone should wait for everyone' solution to the current system is also flawed at best. The problem is, you CAN'T. Really you can't. Someone is going to not make the cut every single time. Why? Because there's just too many people, and as you (and you personally) pointed out, even an S rank is only actually designed for 24 people to take down. So once you have more people in the area than that, every second the gathering group waits is technically 'bonus' time. They don't need to wait...they choose to wait. Which is all fine and dandy...but shouldn't be expected beyond what is actually required to take down the mob.

And that is my main point. I don't care that people wait. I don't care that people zerg. But if you're late (not you specifically), don't whine about it move on. And if you're late (again not you personally), because your playing on a slower system, well sadly, that's too bad. And the devs fault for creating a system, that abusing it is so popular that your load times (which they should develop for), equal you (again not you personally) cannot easily participate. Still, if the community in general would actually do hunts in a more or less 'intended' fashion, even someone playing on a PS3 in podunk could have fun.

Keep in mind SE never said in order to hunt:

1. You must wait for everyone interested to arrive be for engaging
2. You must announce to the entire server the target has spawned and/or it's location
3. You must group at ALL ...and that if you do group, it must be organized via FC's/LS's/3rd party chat and communication systems solely dedicated to this content. And that these sources should communicate amongst each other.
4. That you must wait for the 'designated puller'/ 'pull time' to pull. And if you don't your account will be temp-banned, and that players have a right to scream at you.
5. That you must grind the content in order to earn gear strong enough to progress within the game.

All they said is: Here are some open-world mobs you all asked for. They drop a different currency which can be used to buy these things. We recommend that you do A ranks in groups of 8 and S ranks in groups of 24. Happy hunting.

Again, it was not wise (and they really should have learned from this summer), to include Poetic's upgrade key items amongst the hunt rewards, SE should really re-evaluate that...but it was the community itself and not SE that turned hunts into the unpleasant crap-fest they are. And it's the community, bickering over the hunts that is ruining the atmosphere for both those engaging and those avoiding the hunts alike. I just want the entitlement and bickering to stop. No one, other than the initial group that find the mob...even if you were standing in the same zone 13 yalms away, automatically deserves full credit for something they didn't technically find. It's great that people are willing to share intel, and wait on others...but the expectation that it's done is the problem. They are being nice. Understand that. But nice has a limit....and if you (again, not you personally) miss the cut, suck it up and deal with it.

[BristolRuss]

I see a lot of common responses in this thread. Comments along the lines of "by the time I teleported into the area and reach it it is already dead". Therein lies the problem, you weren't in the area, therefore you weren't actively hunting for it. Why should you get to teleport in and profit off of other peoples work? If you want to make sure you get credit then scout the areas that you know are open and find the damn hunt mark yourself. There are far too many freeloaders who want all of the rewards for none of the effort.

[CYoung187]

I see a lot of common responses in this thread. Comments along the lines of "by the time I teleported into the area and reach it it is already dead". Therein lies the problem, you weren't in the area, therefore you weren't actively hunting for it. Why should you get to teleport in and profit off of other peo

It isn't like this is much different for most of those who pull right when they get there. They were told by a ls or an FC where it was and just got there faster. The one pulling should be the one who found it, but that never happens. I see many times where someone finds a mark then 4-5 parties show up and instantly kill before the person who found it can even get in a party to get full credit. The people who show up and pull right when they are ready are plain selfish, yet so are those complaining about being late. Neither did anything different, one was just luckier.

[Xellos2099]

I see a lot of common responses in this thread. Comments along the lines of "by the time I teleported into the area and reach it it is already dead". Therein lies the problem, you weren't in the area, therefore you weren't actively hunting for it. Why should you get to teleport in and profit off of other peoples work? If you want to make sure you get credit then scout the areas that you know are open and find the damn hunt mark yourself. There are far too many freeloaders who want all of the rewards for none of the effort.

The thing is... usually the hunt ls divide group up into different zone to search and very often there is more than one A rank open. The other people are still actively hunt, just in other zone for the benefit of everyone.

[CYoung187]

I approve of public shaming. It is usually well deserved and hilarious.

It really isn't that much of a problem on my server though.

[XNihili]

I don't understand. If you feel that early pulling is nothing wrong, then the public shaming is not a shaming and people won't care about it.
If you feel that people care about it, then you may revise your understanding about what is "right" and "wrong".