Abuse/Vote-kick in CM

[ChameleonMS]

The only problem with 'grieving' is that it's so vague as what can be constituted as what people are grieved by. People could say they are grieved by just about any action in game. :\

I agree with 100% about the vague state of this issue. The overall problem is that no set rules for conduct have been handed from on high by the GMs. They take everything on a "case by case" basis.
Here we are arguing the varying points of view, when a GM could settle the entire argument with the following:

If a player meets the level/class requirements for a dungeon and that player's playing actions are appropriate for the dungeon in question, then vote to kick would be an abuse.
Or, the GM could state,
If vote to dismiss was presented to the party and accepted, that is judgement of the group at hand and should be accepted as correct. The dismissed player has no grievance.

But, we continue to receive crickets from the GMs. Thus, everyone is left in this limbo of grievance.

[Zedd702]

The only problem with 'grieving' is that it's so vague as what can be constituted as what people are grieved by. People could say they are grieved by just about any action in game. :\

Same can be said about the category "Harassment" and to some extent "Cheating" as well...

"AFK" and "Offline" are the only ones that are really concrete tbqf.

The most common thing I see is those that cannot tolerate one wipe, they immediately go offline (this is their way of trying to avoid taking the penalty with having the team remove them, instead of them leaving) to me I would define this one as cheating rather than offline.

[Able]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2358628

I'm right, you're wrong.

Your stupid ass is going to be the first member of my ignore list. Good riddance.

[TSOSY]

Equip your Relic and AF body. No on will check the rest and if they do why where they wasting time examining your gear instead of clearing?

[FranSeara]

So, I see a lot of people spiritbonding in CM which is cool because i'm one of those people.

To the point now, I'm starting to see more and more people complaining at those that are SBing.... Even going as far as abusing a player and vote-kicking.

This IS a level 50 dungeon, we are not expected to be il100+ there after all.

Can a Dev please look into this? because it's really getting out of control.

Ah and before the replies come in about Urth's gift, it's not faster because you can never get a full party at all times as fast as DF.

I see no problems with this. I do it all the time. Cm was meant to be cleared in Af gear and such. SB away. "remember, just my opinion"

[writeraeria]

Give me somehwere where I can sb my i70 and i90 sets in the open world and I won't have to do it there. SE has set it up like that on purpose and barring any dumbass tanks, I have no issue healing any dungeon in the game in left appropriate sb gear. The harassment over that needs to stop. You're in DF, you don't get to demand your way or the highway to other people. Get over it and move on.

[Dererk]

Just rework it so that crafting and gathering gear can't be spirit bonded in any instance there problem solved.

[Talia_Hailwind]

Ah the Elitist speed runners who think the world works around them.

I wore full SB gear for whm and still speed ran blayflox.
The group even give me a whole 3 commendations.

SB away! as long as your not causing wipes, the abuse from the self centered elitist idiots are just wrong in a game where the roulette's were made to help lower level players and those elitist players can go cry a river.
No one cares if this is your 40th run for the zodiac item, we all had to do it, so man up.

[lvlagmarink]

Once someone challenged me to go naked and run a content.. I did go into CM with random.. Remove my cloth, head, pants and wear str accs as a warrior.. I pulled bit by bit but the other tank kept getting more and more when i was the one who actually tanked em... very much weird.. And i got 3 commendations at the end.. Life can be different at times..

[firstsin]

You are i120/130 gear and you are complaining people doing SB are gimping the group.

If that one pleayer is gimping you soo much maybe you suck? maybe you shouldn't pull every god damn mob? maybe just maybe if you all stop being elitists you'll realised the entire dungeon is boring as hell and most newbies spend 75% of the run watching cutscenes.

IMO the gimps are the tanks who pull every damn mob and cannot wait for the new guys watching cutscenes.

I SB in castrum as a WHM. Only time there is any issue is when the Tanks don't know how to tanks or DPS decided to run ahead and fighting mobs not fixed on tanks yet. Worse I cast cure and all of the adds are on me.

You want to use silly examples of people gimping the group there you have few. Pick your poison.