How to handle/investigate RMT in FC?

[Noahlimits]

We don't want our FC to associate with any RMT / botters/ cheats/ hacks.
- bad FC rep
- getting in trouble with SE

and this following one is just personal opinion (not view of our FC),
- undermines the legitimacy of progress by all FC members.

I've given 10's of millions of gil to friends who play (I even bought a few friends their houses) and I have 0 crafting classes. Just because you have gil doesn't mean you buy gil. People sell runs, do maps, play the market.. heck, I made about 30 mil just buying up as much vit iv materia as I could before the patch, knowing the new i110 accessories would inflate the price. Making 3x as much as I paid for them. It's not cool to accuse people of buying gil without proof.

[Garlyle]

I've given 10's of millions of gil to friends who play (I even bought a few friends their houses) and I have 0 crafting classes. Just because you have gil doesn't mean you buy gil. People sell runs, do maps, play the market.. hell, I made about 30 mil just buying up as much vit iv materia before the patch knowing the new i110 accessories would inflate the price. Making 3x as much as I paid for them. It's not cool to accuse people of buying gil.

Speaking of materia, I know people who've made absolute fortunes spiritbonding constantly. Considering any Savage Might IV materia goes for 400k+ on my server it's not a huge surprise.

[BiBi___]

It's not cool to accuse people of buying gil.

I haven't accused him yet, that's why I want to know if there are methods / ways to find out if they got their gil legitimately.

I also don't understand why certain people have distaste for people "selling" runs. Crafters may be the highest in gil food chain, but people who sell runs are not? I don't get that.... "tanks gotta eat too".

[Noahlimits]

I haven't accused him yet, that's why I want to know if there are methods / ways to find out if they got their gil legitimately.

I also don't understand why certain people have distaste for people "selling" runs. Crafters may be the highest in gil food chain, but people who sell runs are not? I don't get that.... "tanks gotta eat too".

Honestly, I don't care much for selling runs. But since SE said it's not against ToS, it's literally the fastest way to make gil in the game. And there's no ways to definitely prove if someone buy gil unless they admit it in chat. But if he does that, definitely report him. Buying gil cheapens the game.

[Ophie-Mio]

We don't want our FC to associate with any RMT / botters/ cheats/ hacks.
- bad FC rep
- getting in trouble with SE

This attitude is rough since a lot of XIV peeps do end up using cheats/hacks/or botting and just don't mention it. If one character is buying gil though and he gets caught, your FC can't get in trouble. It's not a thing where they track the gil and see where it goes and then ban anything it touches.

It's more like, you shouldn't be so nosy and if you are unsure, just kick him and call it a day. There's no need for all this witch hunting.

Fyi, I flaunt my gil around and I only have one crafter class leveled. How I make my money? MB trading, SBing very little, selling runs, dyes, and maps. If someone asks me where I got my gil (and I get the impression that they are like you and being nosy), I tell them to bugger off. It seems childish that his friends tattled on him and it became a huge deal. Just kick him and blacklist him and leave it at that. No need to ruin everything.

What if someone bought Gil, and donated to the FC fund. FC buys house, SE finds out about Gil buyer, would our FC house be demolished?

No. SE only bans the person buying the gil, not the people who touch the gil afterwards. Anything the gil was used for remains as is.

I also don't understand why certain people have distaste for people "selling" runs. Crafters may be the highest in gil food chain, but people who sell runs are not? I don't get that.... "tanks gotta eat too".

You also can't have this attitude since a majority of people who buy these runs are getting them through bought gil. If you have a problem with RMT, then most of the people who you'll be working for in terms of those clear buyers will be people who bought the gil. Also, your FC will get more of a reputation for selling clears than it ever will working with people who bought gil.

[BiBi___]

Just kick him and blacklist him and leave it at that. No need to ruin everything.

Thanks, that is likely the route we will take. Just go with gut feeling of several long-time FC members, no need for hard evidence, we aren't the police / SE.

[BiBi___]

You also can't have this attitude since a majority of people who buy these runs are getting them through bought gil. If you have a problem with RMT, then most of the people who you'll be working for in terms of those clear buyers will be people who bought the gil. Also, your FC will get more of a reputation for selling clears than it ever will working with people who bought gil.

This is very true, and I have seen it happen.

SE has a poor history of tracing RMT gil - random temp ban people that just had alot of gil and returning the account with 1/10 of what they had in terms of gil. While the true RMT buyers already spent all their gil.

Wow that is terrible....

Yes, if you read the footnote on housing 2.1? 2.2 I think? I can't remember when housing came out. They said plain as day, if anyone was investigated and had given money to an FC who had purchased the house, the house would become forfeit, and nothing reimbursed.

Yikes this is very scary.... I'll go look up the patch notes now. In the mean time, if anyone has a link to it please post it

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We don't want our FC to associate with any RMT / botters/ cheats/ hacks.
- bad FC rep

Instead you'll be known as the witch hunt FC with the "guilty until proven innocent" approach who condemn members on a hunch.

[SCUBA_Instr]

.....witch hunt....

Thanks for bringing this up.
In our case, we were extremely careful not to engage
in any witch-hunting. We discovered our member, as a bot,
while enroute to do some spirit bonding. We know that there are
no in-game functions to allow an FC to do any audits.

Thanks.

[Fornix]

Thanks for bringing this up.
In our case, we were extremely careful not to engage
in any witch-hunting. We discovered our member, as a bot,
while enroute to do some spirit bonding.

In your case however you identified the player as a bot. It's a vastly different scenario from the original topic at hand, the suspicion of someone engaging in RMT to obtain gil.

Personally as an FC master I do not consider it my responsibility to police my own FC members, interrogate them if suspicions of illicit RMT activities arise or remove them out of my FC if in question. I am after all not an SE employee. The responsibility of curbing RMT activity as a player to me in this case reaches no further than anybody else here, don't engage in it yourself. As for what others do, that's SE's problem to battle in my opinion.