The Integrity of Old Content in Heavensward

[Silvanoshi]

As I look forward to the expansion, I'm wondering if this game will follow the trend of the traditional MMO and make a large amount of the current "end-game" instances obsolete.

Beyond mounts and minions for a very select few dungeons and trials, what would draw people to these encounters in the expansion? We know the Primals are coming to and end along with Crystal Tower and Coil. There will no longer be a reason to continue this line to unlock the next tier. Certain dungeons (up to Stone Vigil) will be required by story, but what about the numerous Level 50 dungeons? Pharos Sirius, Lost City of Ampador, Haukke Manor (Hard), ect?

My question to the community is simple: When the expasion hits, what do you feel will (or want to) happen with Coil, EX Primals, Hard Mode Dungeons, ect?

I am hoping we'll see some readjustments to the massive amount of level 50 dungeons and they will be reutilized as level 51 - 59 dungeons with proper character level synchs to preserve challenge. A new score of dungeons COULD be added in between or at 60. The gear that drops in these can be scaled to meet with the current Ilvl we have now.

Ex Primals will have ponies --- But is that enough? With the summons/primals being such a spotlight for Final Fantasy, do we really want to see the difficult incarnations of them just get reduced to nothing?

1st and 2nd Coil will fail to have any purpose in the expansion. Why run those "raids" when the expansion dungeons may potentially offer equipment of similar ilevel and are easier?

I guess with new content coming every 3 months (and the large amount of content
wth it) I will have plenty of things to do. I just hate to see content that I struggled through and enjoyed be wiped away.

[DoctorPepper]

Personally I'm hoping they update the rewards and simply add an ilvl sync that forces you down to a lower ilvl to make the content somewhat competitive.

The only issue with this would be new skills you obtain and whether you would still have the ability to use them in older content, thereby making it easier. Depending on what new skills there are and how they setup an ilvl sync some of the fights could still present a challenge.

[Atomnium]

My question to the community is simple: When the expasion hits, what do you feel will (or want to) happen with Coil, EX Primals, Hard Mode Dungeons, ect?

Simple, they will be kept relevant to do because of the relics for the new jobs and also the new quests for incoming steps. It's bound to happen.

As for old coils, they will re-use the concept they did for coil1, salvaging stuffs for new materials in order to create vanity / useful crafts.

[Zumi]

Ex Primals will have ponies --- But is that enough? With the summons/primals being such a spotlight for Final Fantasy, do we really want to see the difficult incarnations of them just get reduced to nothing?

That is pretty much the only reason people make parties for them now, since all their gear is already outdated. Pony farms get filled pretty fast on my server.

[Starlord]

Well one thing is for sure ( at least I hope so), going from 50-60, I hope Yoshi-P understands that at this point of the game, we don't need " easy content" anymore. Yes, have casual content, but don't go making Dungeons/Primals/easy, yes even the story ones! The Overworld in Heavensward should be kinda scary to go through. Make the normal enemies feel threatening to the point you may need 2-4 people to back you up.

Let 1-50 and 2.1-2.5 for the most part be for the people getting into the game understanding the controls/feel of the game etc. Let everything Heavensward onward have hard content, since at this point of the game, we should know what to do when faced against a hard enemy!

[Felis]

Well one thing is for sure ( at least I hope so), going from 50-60, I hope Yoshi-P understands that at this point of the game, we don't need " easy content" anymore. Yes, have casual content, but don't go making Dungeons/Primals/easy, yes even the story ones! The Overworld in Heavensward should be kinda scary to go through. Make the normal enemies feel threatening to the point you may need 2-4 people to back you up.

Let 1-50 and 2.1-2.5 for the most part be for the people getting into the game understanding the controls/feel of the game etc. Let everything Heavensward onward have hard content, since at this point of the game, we should know what to do when faced against a hard enemy!

It should be like in 1.x, where it was only dangerous if you left the main routes.

[Cutie_McSnuggles]

The Overworld in Heavensward should be kinda scary to go through.

Yes, I hope the overworld is more challenging.

Make the normal enemies feel threatening to the point you may need 2-4 people to back you up.

No, not that challenging. If I am forced to take a party with me everywhere I go that will totally ruin the game for me.

Really it just needs to be challenging enough that if you aren't paying attention or you pull too much at once you will get creamed. But if you're careful you should be able to go anywhere by yourself no problem.

[Starlord]

Yes, I hope the overworld is more challenging.



No, not that challenging. If I am forced to take a party with me everywhere I go that will totally ruin the game for me.

Really it just needs to be challenging enough that if you aren't paying attention or you pull too much at once you will get creamed. But if you're careful you should be able to go anywhere by yourself no problem.

Well, yeah if your focused you should be able to do it solo, but it will be kinda hard to solo but it can be done. Challenging enough you can solo. Another words try not to link! :P

[Pibz]

Well, yeah if your focused you should be able to do it solo, but it will be kinda hard to solo but it can be done. Challenging enough you can solo. Another words try not to link! :P

This discussion is kind of off topic but wtv.
While having general open world mobs feel a bit more threatening(ie you are not able to just afk auto attack them to death..) would be cool, what i'd really like to see would be the creation of lvl 60 zones that require you to group up to clear the dailies or in other words that, at least some of, the beastman tribe quests would be party oriented content. How much cooler would it be to go kill those nasty beastmen in groups where they actually push you back, as oppose to what we have now?

On topic, the content will sooner or later become useless, there's a finite amount of content you can keep relevant at any point.

[EdwinLi]

On topic, the content will sooner or later become useless, there's a finite amount of content you can keep relevant at any point.

Yes by loot wise but story wise new players will need to see these story part of these contents to learn why certain things are in future storylines.

For example, if Nero returns in 3.0 the new players that joined in 3.0 and skip over Crystal Tower due to being a lvl 50 endgame content, since they aim for lvl 60 stuff, will miss out on why Nero 's character development and would not know why he is like that in 3.0.

Another example, is if a New players start playing in 4.0 (which Yoshi-P has said he already planned all the way up to 4.0 or higher before 2.0 release) and they question why Bahamut has not appeared in the Main Storyline. That part is explained in the Coil Storyline which by then would be mos likely a ghost town and only people willing to help new players go through that content would actually get to see it.