Make relics the best weapons 100% time

[MistyMew]

honestly I did not read any posts other then the title and all I can say is:

agree 100% op

[Atomnium]

if they did that then no1 would raid..

I'm sorry but I don't agree, like not at all, being someone who raid since 2.0 this statement isn't true for all raiders, a big majority of us actually raid for the content and the challenge itself and then for gears / weapons.
Not all raiders are greedy people who are only aiming for gears and weapons, it's just a bonus to make things easier in raid contents.

It's sounds nice in theory, but the problem with special stat's on weapon/armour etc is that groups will pretty much require you to have those weapons for raiding etc.

Trust me or not but hardcore raiders and in a general mood all raiders would do it in order to raid, most raiders consider relic weapons as "toys for casuals and way too easy to do".

the problem is... the "grinding" way isn't really for casuals. I don't think casuals want to spend too much times doing those boring stuffs.

And it's then not a problem, most casuals don't raid at all so why would they need weapons to raid?
If they don't have the times to spend to raid, they just also don't have enough times to build a relic, all other contents of the game but coil raids doesn't need best gears/weapons (Ilevel infos needed on duty finder contents is there for a reason).

OP's suggestion is actually brilliant in many ways because it offer alternate solutions to both sides. Did you even read it?
People who don't raid but are still aiming for long side quests like relics would still be able to run toward their goals and meanwhile, raiders would get the final reward a bit earlier than other.

For once that someone is making an useful thread with a very smart idea, you guys should cheer him up a bit.
It kill me inside to see people complaining without solid arguments by just tossing the regular stereotypes like "lol-nope, would never work", "too hard for new players!", "raiders=greedy and casuals=lazy".

[Sapphic]

For once that someone is making an useful thread with a very smart idea, you guys should cheer him up a bit.
It kill me inside to see people complaining without solid arguments by just tossing the regular stereotypes like "lol-nope, would never work", "too hard for new players!", "raiders=greedy and casuals=lazy".

They already did it so it is on par on ilvl, better (in most cases) with secondaries. New coil with ilvl 135 weapon, present relic ilvl 115 raid progress weapons 120 and upgraded 130. Month later quest added to make relic 125 which are better (unless you put pointless materia in eg parry on DRGs, SKS on caster relics) it is better than most of the upgraded 130 weapons due to seondaries.

Then with 2.51 and new relic quest the relic will match FCoB weapon in ilvl and supersede it in secondaries.

Most "hardcore" raiders replaced the SCoB HA weapon with the 115 relic because it was better when 2.4 and FCoB was released.

[Galliano]

It kill me inside to see people complaining without solid arguments by just tossing the regular stereotypes like "lol-nope, would never work", "too hard for new players!", "raiders=greedy and casuals=lazy".

Not once prior to your nonsensical ramblings did any of those "regular stereotypes" surface, furthermore the majority of the posts were well written and had valid points for both sides of the argument.

As a side note to the thread in general I agree that relics should be the best weapons in the game, however I don't think they should be tied behind raids. Relics should have their own content with difficulty on par with the current raid content but something more along the lines of a group of trials at the end of the grind. For example farm the lights then have to beat Hydra Extreme.

[Elazu]

Relics should NEVER be the best weapon you can obtain.

[Icarian]

I would be okay with it if you need to beat the last turn of the coil for that patch to complete it (t13 right now), so at least you'd get a nice weapon if you get screwed by Mr. RNG.

[Ardent_Dawn]

There is a fact that is often ignored in this argument, and it is that as patches continue to flow in, the relic takes more effort to obtain. Just think of when it first released versus how it is now, and then consider that they're probably going to extend the relic line into Heavensward. It's interesting to note that RNG aside, you'll still have put more time and effort into getting your finished relic than it would to take you to clear the higher weapon equivalent in end-game raiding. The relic, always behind in stats, will eventually be the hardest to obtain (even as they make paths to getting it more simple). Why would someone do their relic line when they can get an EX weapon that is better and takes a few attempts to get once the strat is out there?

[Skeith-Adeline]

Uhm, no. No no. There is no skill or coordination required in obtaining the Zodiac weapons. The result should display that.

[Ardent_Dawn]

Uhm, no. No no. There is no skill or coordination required in obtaining the Zodiac weapons. The result should display that.

Devil's Advocate here. At what point do you think effort overcomes skill? A skilled player can down new content in a couple of weeks, whereas the effort to finish the relic takes a lot longer than that. As it continues on, this effort will be doubled. However, raiding will always be the same and you'll just get a weapon in a couple of weeks. This is counting Coil, of course, not EX, where you can get a weapon easily within a week that beats out the relic line.

[Skeith-Adeline]

Devil's Advocate here. At what point do you think effort overcomes skill? A skilled player can down new content in a couple of weeks, whereas the effort to finish the relic takes a lot longer than that. As it continues on, this effort will be doubled. However, raiding will always be the same and you'll just get a weapon in a couple of weeks. This is counting Coil, of course, not EX, where you can get a weapon easily within a week that beats out the relic line.

You're basing your point around that people are skilled enough to clear those instances that quickly. Top statics =/= common. Also basing if one is lucky enough to have em drop. I have not seen a single damned High Allagan Staff in all of my clears. RNG is just as large as a factor as the Zodiac step.