Make relics the best weapons 100% time

[StrejdaTom]

I have finished Zodiac weapon in one week, I wasn't even able to finish turn 10 in one week. Are you telling me that Zodiac weapon should be exactly on par with turn 13 weapon which actually requires you to do turn 13 a couple of times to have even chance to get it? Where is logic in that?
Getting relic is much much easier... well, getting relic isn't a matter of difficulty.. just time. I really don't think that relic being number 2 or 3 weapon is that a big deal. Relic is still viable and will always be viable as the quest continues. I always raided with my relic and I never had problems. Better weapon isn't crucial..

I just think that this is another cry of the part of community who want to have everything. If you never craft, you won't get access to some items (untradable only for crafters), if you don't raid you won't get access to some items.. that is how it goes.

[Havenchild]

My point is "The relic weaposn have always been billed has a number 1 weapon choose for non-raiders. Without the relice weapon quest updates/upgrades, how would any non raider clear anything in the game? You still need to meet item level, you cant do that with level 49 weapons. My skill or others skill level has nothing to do with this. I think raiders just can't deal with non-raiders having ANYTHING of value. Let's be real here,your'e not going to beat very much in this game now with lower tier items. So, forget about Shiva Ex (DPS check) Odin (DPS check). "Owner of 2 Zodiac weapons and then light farming of another." Players who choice to the relice quest upgrade earn their way, stop trying to devalue their time and efforts.

You devalue the step ladder this game gives you besides a relic and coil weapon. You are provided countless options and they can all be used consistently to progress through the content.

Shiva EX, Odin DPS checks?

You can beat Shiva EX in 110 weapons. Obtained from combination of Hunts and Syrcus Tower (rather easily). Using your new Shiva EX weapon, you can down Odins DPS check, which assuming you are not outright terrible, you truly just need to DPS decently and go full throttle on buffs when hes charging Zantetsuken. It's all step ladder. Don't wanna go that route? Meld out those weapons that are constantly added.

Also contrary to what you claim, it is skill that determines what you can do in this game, considering all content has been downed in LESS geared scenarios then what the content actually is aimed at ilvl wise. (EX: T5 in ilvl 55, T9 in ilvl 90, T13 in ilvl110.)

Shiva could be downed in i95 if people knew how to play correctly and unless you're not playing the game at all, you will be over that simply from soldiery or poetics. Let's not ignore they gave you weapons via token system like the first 3 primal set i90 weapons. Gear just remedies the lack of skill by giving you direct power. Ilvl is also a superficial barrier that guards Duty Finder. You're freely able to switch gear mid instance or even obtain ilvl minimums by switching in gear from other classes right side for higher ilvl.

[Laerad3993]

Relics should be the best weapons you could use 100% the time, not just 2-3 months every 6 months.

I think that an easy solution would be to make possible to get items to upgrade relics in two ways. Playing endgame(coil or whatever) and/or grinding. So hardcore people can get their relic upgrade earlier than casual ppl. Grinding method should have week cap so its not possible to get relic upgrade on the firsts weeks of the patch.

If this change is applied, I can just blow millions of Gil on runs, since Gil is a cinch to make, even as a casual, and get my Relic even faster than before! There, that is one reason NOT to implement this. Even though I'd do it in a heartbeat if they did. Why waste 2000 hours a year trying to keep up when you can just spend 2 hrs a night and little to no effort finding someone to carry me. /Endsarcasm

[PArcher]

People want things just handed to them, don't they?

The relic takes no skill to get. Sorry to burst your bubble, but having the zodiac says nothing about what kind of player you are...except you have a lot of time to play.

And that's all you need for the relic; time. I have my Ragnarok, and it is great for helping me progress through fcob, but all I did to get it was grins the same easy things over and over. Anyone can get their relic, not anyone can get the Dreadwyrm

[Kaisha]

You can already clear the current end-game with the relics as they are. Why do you need for them to be 'the best'?

The only players who could make full use of 'the best' weapons are the ones who are already clearing said end game content anyways.

[Seidaku]

I think relics should be the best weapons also, the final upgrade for the weapon should come from the final raid boss also.
After a new raid tier is released you can make the final upgrade item become available from another source as well for catch up.

[hallena]

Something...less grindy?

like in 2.0? because i remember seeing several threads pop everyday from people crying about it being too hard

[WHS]

I don't agree that top tier weapons should be made available to only final coil. We need other systems in this game for variety and to keep players from being bored. Even dynamis in ffxi was easier content than what we have now for relics overall. In ffxi we had different ways to obtain top weapons in that game and they weren't all relic weapons. I just think we need a variety of raid content and special content to allow a different tops weapon. We kinda have that now but not to the extent we did in ffxi. One high end raid for one top weapon is too singular and boring. If someone doesn't do coil there needs to be another option for them to get tops weapon. And tops weapons are not only for raiding and this game is not only a raiding game. Please keep that in mind this is a very diversified game already with some content spread out.

[Seidaku]

I am in full agreement for less grindy relics. However the time sink is important so there should be a great many more steps with some roadblocks introduced as well. Maybe some drops from the S rank hunts to add some flavor, random area spawns etc.

[DoctorPepper]

Personally I don't think that zodiacs should be better than raid weapons either. The amount of time and effort it takes to successfully raid in this game seems more challenging to me than simply grinding old content until your eyes bleed. I really dislike the direction they took with the relic weapons and wish that they were a little more challenging and less grindy but that's my personal preference. I work all day throughout the weekdays and coming home to grind fates and old dungeons I've already done hundreds of times just doesn't feel fun to me, I guess that's why I'm still on the animus stage for the 2 weapons I actually want.