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    Anna_Lannis's Avatar
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    Being blamed for things I have no control over and tired of babysitting.

    Every time I go into to t10, I have problems with the Prey mechanic... the major issue is that when Prey comes up, the Tanks are either dead or dying, AoE is flying everywhere, they can't face the adds to save their life, people are getting 1-shot from Wild Charge(usually the tank). When I have a choice to save the tank(s) or a DPS getting paralyzed for 20 seconds... the logical choice to to save the tank. Even after the add phase, Electric Burst kills someone in one hit; i have to make sure everyone has stoneskin and that sucks out my MP. I ask the bard for Ballad, and I have to ask SEVERAL times when I have to do something MP intensive.
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    What do you do when tanks won't use cooldowns, Bards that won't play ballad, the other healer doesn't use Virus/Eye for Eye for when tanks take spike damage when mine in on CD. It seems like I'm the only person to use Meds/Food, etc. I'm expected to fix everything, and if I can't do anything, it's because of Prey, not because people can't get their act together, and people want me to accommodate them, the least they can do is accommodate them back.

    I don't want to make another "it's all the healer's fault" thread, but I cannot deal with people that want my help and act like bullies when I can't accommodate every whim of the party.
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    If the tanks are either dead or dying when prey comes up, which is approx 30s after the pull... There is already something wrong.
    T10 is not healing intensive AT ALL. There is a tank swap mechanic, yes, but 90% of the time (adds phase excluded), there ar 2 healers to heal a single target : the main tank..;
    My co-WHM ignores completely Prey, I, as SCH, am in charge of this mechanic. It is very very simple, as long as you are not caught off guard.

    I dont know if you are in PUG for t10, or in a static, but if your partners arent trying to play their role to the maximum (or at least a decent level), dont bother doing the FCOB with them.
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    These are usually PUGs. My FC is fairly small so we don't raid much, and my server's not real competent when it comes to high level stuff, because of all the entitlement and ragequitting. My focus isn't really on "endgame" as much as "being able to interact with people outside my FC" because I'm one of those people that don't like cliques. I have a higher tolerance threshold for people but do not enjoy having a finger pointed at me when I've been patient with new people.

    The prey that comes during phase 1 isn't the problem. It's Prey that comes when the adds show up(and the tanks turn the adds attack on the party while dying in 4 seconds is that stoneskinning it becomes a problem.
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    This sounds more like the entire raid group is not handling mechanics properly at all rather than problems with prey. First of all, try getting the scholar to deal with single preys (adlo cast time is faster than stoneskin), and with double preys have a system set up where one healer will go for one, the other healer the other. Best way to do this is have the party list set up the same way, and one healer will deal with the person effected by prey that is closet to the top of the list, the other healer the one closest to the bottom.

    As Coldea said, t10 is not healing intensive, in my raid group phase 1 is solo healed, and we stance dance as much as possible anyway. Wild charge sounds like it is not being handled correctly if it is 1 shotting a tank. Make sure the tank does not have a vulnerability debuff on when soaking, and there has to be tank->2 others-> person marked for charge stood in a row to soak correctly. A cure 3 correctly timed will heal all those hit by charge. Also make sure sacred soil and virus are up when possible for charges.

    Sounds like you are possibly the only one in tese groups that is trying to handle mechanics correctly anyway .
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna_Lannis View Post
    These are usually PUGs.
    That right there is your problem.

    Yeah I know, statics are a huge PITA to get in the first place and often fall apart due to scheduling issues, loot drama, etc... but. This sort of content rather requires it.

    We healers have a huge target painted on our backs. If there's ever confusion or doubt or just a desire to to dodge the allegorical bullet, we get the blame. It sucks, but it's the healer life. And what you're trying to do usually requires a group that knows each other and works together quite well.
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    As others have said, your group needs to get with the strat. Things are very wrong if you're consistently suffering deaths in the early phases, especially if tanks are dying.

    In my static, the WHM solo heals p1 and handles Prey so that I can focus on adding raid DPS. During Wild Charge, I shield everyone before and right after impact, Adlo the tank for Crit Rip, then resume DPS. As the fight goes on, I help with Prey and overall healing while keeping as much DoT uptime as I can safely manage.

    For add phases the WHM and I each have a designated tank to support. I typically Adlo both Prey targets, refresh Adlo on my tank, and quickly DoT/Bane/SF/Miasma II his adds while spamming Roused Embraces.

    Bard plays Paeon at one point, but never Ballad.

    An important note about Wild Charge: make sure your peeps are literally standing in a row and not overlapping hitboxes, or they won't soak properly and will cause death to ensue.

    In any case, there are good reasons why PUGs are disliked for progression content. This stuff requires groups not only to learn the mechanics but to be able to communicate and coordinate their play. It really, really helps to practice with the same people.
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    We healers have a huge target painted on our backs. If there's ever confusion or doubt or just a desire to to dodge the allegorical bullet, we get the blame. It sucks, but it's the healer life. And what you're trying to do usually requires a group that knows each other and works together quite well.
    The attitude sucks. WHY it sucks... is that we aren't part of the party. Either A) We're the party's meek polite little servants who follow them around, or B) bossy tsunderes who bark orders that hired goons that need babysitting. There aren't any middle grounds. Why can't people treat us like fellow videogamers? I swear most people think it's Legend of Zelda, and were jus tthier personal healing fairy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anna_Lannis View Post
    The attitude sucks. WHY it sucks... is that we aren't part of the party. Either A) We're the party's meek polite little servants who follow them around, or B) bossy tsunderes who bark orders that hired goons that need babysitting. There aren't any middle grounds. Why can't people treat us like fellow videogamers? I swear most people think it's Legend of Zelda, and were jus tthier personal healing fairy.
    For all the trouble, there is one very nice upside to a static: Blame tends to go where it belongs, but it's not the RAAAAAAAAGE kind of blame either. It's "you need to place the whatever correctly" or "wait for the mark to disappear before moving" or so on. Basically... actual constructive advice.

    I would say try to get a static. Again, I know it's a huge pain, but it sounds like it's the kind of experience you're looking for. You'll get treated as an equal (in any that are halfway decent anyway).

    Quote Originally Posted by Synestr View Post
    It's always the tanks fault. That's my motto. Whether I'm on my PLD/WAR or not. ^.^ Tis the price we pay to PUG unfortunately.
    Kudos for jumping on the grenade like that. Sadly a lot of pug tanks jump on the blame-the-healer bandwagon (especially WARs for some reason?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    Kudos for jumping on the grenade like that. Sadly a lot of pug tanks jump on the blame-the-healer bandwagon (especially WARs for some reason?).
    As a healer, I take blame for my own mistakes as well. Speaking on content outside of Coil (no T9 experience past Golems), I can normally heal through any massive attack. If it isn't a one-shot, and someone die, it's probably my fault for trying something different. If someone is hit with poison and their HP is under 800, and they die, it's because I didn't help them specifically (I went for Medica or Regen instead).

    90% of the time, I'm on standby with my Cures and Esuna rather than trying to toss Aero lol
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