Sacred Soil

[VanilleFang]

But wouldn't ''handling it properly'' mean mitigating it properly ? You're farming T13 now and have been so in no means am I telling you how to play the job because you have it down apparently. I don't like the views you have of Sacred Soil and I just say anything in your power of mitigation to help the next person (in all cases is the WHM) is to help make their job easier regardless the circumstance lol I mean I still mitigate on T9 farm parties , granted I only use Sacred Soil on Mega Flare (T9) but still its the job. I dunno to each his own, I respect your views and we both could be right in different situations my friend.

I kind of agree with you. Even if something will not kill you outright, why would you avoid using Sacred Soil if the opportunity came up to use it? It would make healing everyone a lot easier, which can help to cause less stress. I see maybe if you have an issue with using the stack of AF, but still...

[Kaisha]

But wouldn't ''handling it properly'' mean mitigating it properly ?

Handled properly is not getting one-shotted beyond mitigation, not overhealing/buffing for every possible thing.

The incoming damage is predictable when everyone's doing the mechanics dance, and WHM can deal with the bulk of the raid damage and keeping tanks alive with SCH pet for 90% of the encounters, which leaves the SCH free to heavily focus on DPSing while popping the odd lustrate/adlo.

I just rarely see use for Soil. Outside of LB2-Tera and Mega>Giga, only other spot in T13 I'd use one is the Giga+Akh#3 combo.

I only use Sacred Soil on Mega Flare (T9)

Back when you needed full stoneskin for mega flare, yeah, soil and covenant were a necessity to survive it, but not these days. With echo, if you overbuff for mega you miss out on a ton of free LB bar build-up from critical damage, which a WHM can heal up solo with DS-Med+Med2.

[ZhycranaDranix]

I just rarely see use for Soil. Outside of LB2-Tera and Mega>Giga, only other spot in T13 I'd use one is the Giga+Akh#3 combo.

Rarely sew Use ?
You just named using it in at least 2 out of the 4 phases that's pretty consistent. Neither here nor there at the end of the day opinions are opinions. I applied not using Sacred Soil as much in 13 in my statics raid last night and the survivability was quite the same other than my WHM having to heal up a bit more but it was good to have some free stacks for dps healing, so I can def agree with your argument on some points but others eh not so much maybe once my group is as good as yours I may not have to mitigate so much. I still think its the bread and butter of the job.

[FoxyAreku]

Farm status for awhile now.


With current gear, outside of LB2'd Tera there's nothing that'll outright kill someone in FCoB if mechanics are handled properly, and that Medica 2 won't top off over time since none of these fights have successive raid AoEs. Well, outside of slow DPS making for Mega>Giga in T13 Ph1/2, in which case ok, pop the soil to make that transition less frustrating to mass heal.

It's still primarily a progression/learning/early-weeks tool in the grand scheme of things.

Nerve cloud without sacred soil sounds downright horrible.

Also it helps for things like t10 charge and any time where everyone in your group is getting hit. 10% reduction on everybody? No way lustrate will outdo that.

[Sleigh]

Nerve cloud without sacred soil sounds downright horrible.

Also it helps for things like t10 charge and any time where everyone in your group is getting hit. 10% reduction on everybody? No way lustrate will outdo that.

T11's auto-crit Nerve Cloud is quite survivable without Soil but you would really want both DK and SP up. Basically just a precaution, although we still use it.

T10 charges it's really unneeded and is a waste of a stack IMO, unless you're running without a MNK. We haven't used Soil in T10 since we were in full i110 gear and it was mainly only so we could survive the floor tick afterwards if we got it.

[Cynfael]

...only so we could survive the floor tick afterwards if we got it.

Very much this, especially if you have someone who derps on occasion and hugs someone else too tightly for Wild Charge.

Was helping a friend complete dungeons for his Zodiac last night and playing mostly BLM for variety. The SCHs we got tended to cast Soil on CD and either spam Stoneskin or do nothing when no heals were needed. While I didn't complain and threw them commendations for at least doing the minimum required, I can't say that I didn't want to reach through the screen and shake them for being so wasteful and inefficient lol.

[Aurelinaus]

They are % based mitigation therefore they are always scaling with the exception of stoneskin since it's effectiveness is tied to target hp it's semi-scaling. Raid damage both (single and AoE) isn't staying the same is also increasing with newer endgame content.

edit:There's no logic in the argument you are making ost. On one hand you point out that heals are getting stronger and then say that mitigation should also get stronger...um...hello balance. It's like a tank saying "My HPs are getting super high nao, but my CD %s are not increasing".

[Viviza]

Forgive me if this sounds impudent, but does it trouble anyone else that no matter how high MND gets, Sacred Soil percentage reduction doesn't get higher?

Heals and DoTs get stronger, but Sacred Soil, Eye for an Eye, and Stoneskin remain fixed percentages. It makes job abilities feel very stagnant despite increasing gear values.

They scale automatically because they are percentages.

The potency values of heals and dots are based on percentages too. They're just hidden a bit better.

[Cynfael]

My point is that Sacred Soil has been niche for a very long time. Only in most cutting edge of progression content is it deemed very useful, and even then only for specific mechanics.

Also, no matter your role, the job is to complete the content. To that end Sacred Soil is not often the optimal choice. It's hardly useless, but there are usually better options.

[ZhycranaDranix]

Also, no matter your role, the job is to complete the content. To that end Sacred Soil is not often the optimal choice. It's hardly useless, but there are usually better options.

Well said [insert clapping in agreement gif]

May we have fun in future content GL ALL !