Fountain of Flames on t12

[Spayd]

Alright, Static is working on t12 last phase, and I'm debating with one of my friends about who should go in. I personally think that the ranged should go in with OT, and that melee dps should focus boss down. He thinks that All melee should do the fountain, and have the ranged chill out and dps. He say that having the ranged do the Fountain would be too complicated because of Pinion, but for me, I don't see any difference in it.

TL;DR Should Melees do the fountain or the range?

Which one is better and why?

[Nezerius]

The ranged are far better when dealing with the fountains.

Fountain of Flames can land outside of melee range, making it difficult for the melee to continue dpsing, unless the boss is moved closer to the fountain.
Ranged don't have this problem, and can just continue attacking as normal.

There's also no difference in Pinion, as both melee and ranged can get targeted by it.

[ShinryuReishiki]

It would probably be better to let the ranged handle it as the potential for DPS loss will be lower, but honestly, it can be handled pretty much any way you like. We do Tank > Tank > NIN, BRD > Tank > Tank.

[Sunako]

We usually move the boss near fountain so melee can dps during they sit into it. Maybe that pinion mean that ranged can move pinions away from the group, but if they sit into fountain they can not choose anymore. We do tank 3x, bard 2x, scholar 2x, monk 1x usually.

[Elkya95]

I believe we make our OT take the first 3 stacks, then they tank swap and the other tank goes in for 3 stacks then a melee. Next the other melee goes in first and take 2 stacks, then the tanks get 3 each. We also have our healers do the brand in that phase (well all phases really). I would say use ranged in the fountains instead though, let the melee dps instead. I mean it's usually okay with our first fountain since the tanks go in first anyway so they take the phoenix over, but the second one is more clunky with melee going over first.

[RachaelMarie22]

We do OT-NIN-DRG(me). We pull the boss to the fountain anyway so the OT can continue dpsing so it made sense for us to have the melee do the fountain so it's less crowded around the boss. Two stacks is about 12 seconds in the fountain for dps so won't be that much of a loss, if you're pushing 4 bennus you can just coast your way to the finish line anyways

[Lavieh]

Depends on your comp


If you have a BRD and a SMN/BLM it is best to have the range handle the fountains and have the BLM take the last two stacks (Less movement involved).

[PROBOUND]

Depends on your comp


If you have a BRD and a SMN/BLM it is best to have the range handle the fountains and have the BLM take the last two stacks (Less movement involved).

So in your above example would this work?

OT WAR Takes 4 stacks -> SMN Takes 2 -> BRD Takes 2 ? What will happen on the next fountain if this method is used? Will the OT be able to pick up another 4 or will his debuff not allow? A 3rd person (eg. DRG) would need to swap with one of the ranged before the Tank could soak 4 again? Or would you just have the MT PLD Take those 4 ?

Just trying to wrap my head around this since there are so many different strats.

[Lavieh]

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I can't say for certain but I'm pretty positive that the OT will still have his stacks when the second fountain is up meaning he can't take anymore.

We go 2x BRD, 2x WHM, 2x SCH, 2x BLM and the Bards stacks wear off right as the next fountain is spawning. Considering the debuff resets each time you gain a stack the WAR would probably still have 4 stacks when the fountain popped, I could be wrong.

Edit: As someone mentioned, in the 4 OT stacks the tanks tank swap so the new OT would have no stacks.

[Ehayte]

So in your above example would this work?

OT WAR Takes 4 stacks -> SMN Takes 2 -> BRD Takes 2 ? What will happen on the next fountain if this method is used? Will the OT be able to pick up another 4 or will his debuff not allow? A 3rd person (eg. DRG) would need to swap with one of the ranged before the Tank could soak 4 again? Or would you just have the MT PLD Take those 4 ?

Just trying to wrap my head around this since there are so many different strats.

4 stacks will kill your WAR, or anybody. People use OT on both fountains of the phase because that role will have switched regardless due to the Revelation debuff, he goes Brand > Fountain > Rev at the start of the phase, and then Rebrith > Fountain > Rev in the middle. So you don't really have time for a tank swap right after fountain, most people will switch either after the OT get their stacks, or on Brand if tanks are dealing with Brand. So while you have the OT take the first 3 stacks of each fountain, the OT will have changed from your WAR to your PLD by the second fountain, or vice versa.

The reason people are saying not to use ranged is because then you will have MT, OT, Melee, Melee, Ranged all stacked in a relatively small space. If you have your healers handling brands, they have to deal with brand swaps and pre-heals, and healing 600-1600 point hits from pinions flying through the area near Pheonix.

We have tanks handle Brands, and do this: OT > OT > OT > WHM > WHM (Tank swap w/brand) > BLM > BLM> SCH on the first one, then OT > OT > OT > BRD > BRD (Tank swap w/brand) > DRG > DRG> SCH.

Always pull pheonix to the fountain so that your OT can hit pheonix while taking stacks - PLD in SwOa can be doing 270+ dps and a good WAR can be doing 260-300.