Wait as Default on Controllers

[Mutemutt]

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Don't worry about it, and just for the record, I ran into more trouble accidentally commencing than withdrawing. It wasn't a huge problem per se, but it was definitely a nuisance, especially when it would start pretty much instantly.

Anyway, I don't mind if they add in some option to change the default or something along those lines.

[Tiggy]

No offense taken McSnuggles. I tend to be an unpopular opinion panda.

Then I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were talking about the people who just didn't like the new change in general

Please read things more carefully to avoid confusion. I was making the same point and Mutemutt was backing it up.

[sarehptar]

Don't worry about it, and just for the record, I ran into more trouble accidentally commencing than withdrawing. It wasn't a huge problem per se, but it was definitely a nuisance, especially when it would start pretty much instantly.

I must be the only person in the world who has never accidentally commenced. XD I guess this depends on what classes you are playing though; I imagine if your queues are super long all the time (poor DPS) you do get bored and start doing other things which could get you in trouble... I wonder also if system isn't part of it. On my PS4, the *ding* sound happens before the duty window pops up, but it sounds like for other people that's not the case?

In any case, I hope in the future this kind of thread will get the devs thinking and make them consider making new features optional right from the start. I'm sure they want their hard work on the new features to be valued, but with everybody's play style and needs being different, letting people select the options that works best for them could save a lot of people getting flustered on the forums. >_<

[sarehptar]

Please read things more carefully to avoid confusion. I was making the same point and Mutemutt was backing it up.

Please don't confuse being talked about with being talked to. Just because I mentioned one small idea of yours in that last post to Mutemutt in which I apparently "went off" (your point about accidental withdrawal) does not mean that post was in any way, shape, or form addressed to you. Please read things more carefully to avoid confusion.

[Tiggy]

I imagine if your queues are super long all the time (poor DPS) you do get bored and start doing other things which could get you in trouble... I wonder also if system isn't part of it. On my PS4, the *ding* sound happens before the duty window pops up, but it sounds like for other people that's not the case?

You nailed it on the head right there. When queues take forever I don't walk away and just wait for my controller to ding. More specifically I'm on a pc using an xbox controller so I don't even have that ability to hear my controller ding. So i'll be sitting there filling my time doing something else and right as I'm navigating the menu and hit the A button accept a selection or the B to back out and bam the popup window appears right at that moment. Before you realize what happens you've already selected the default option or canceled out.

Please don't confuse being talked about with being talked to. Just because I mentioned one small idea of yours in that last post to Mutemutt in which I apparently "went off" (your point about accidental withdrawal) does not mean that post was in any way, shape, or form addressed to you. Please read things more carefully to avoid confusion.

So I guess you didn't say this right after I made my initial post making the same point?

You just undermined your own argument though--if this happened just last night, that means it's still possible to misclick, even with "Wait" as the default. So what is the point of even having Wait? It literally does nothing.

Right. You didn't say anything to me where reading more carefully may have prevented the entire argument. Gotcha. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

[Cutie_McSnuggles]

I think this thread has brought forward two really great ideas to cater to everyone's wishes.
1. Give us the option to choose where our cursors defaults to.
2. Give us the option to make pop up windows not pull focus. (Some one specifically mentioned trade windows and I can't tell you how many times I've accidentally canceled those. LOL)

[Tiggy]

2. Give us the option to make pop up windows not pull focus. (Some one specifically mentioned trade windows and I can't tell you how many times I've accidentally canceled those. LOL)

This would help in many situations. I think that is indeed a really good take away from this thread. The commencement window was a good start, but we need to take it further. Adding adding a default option is a good start, and moving any other attention grabbing windows to the side bar notifications would probably take it even further. What other situations does this happen in? The main one off the top of my head is the coil entry window and thankfully you generally know when that's going to pop since you're in a group. Normally for us it's just someone backing out of a menu canceling the moment the pop-up appears.

[sarehptar]

So I guess you didn't say this right after I made my initial post making the same point? Right. You didn't say anything to me where reading more carefully may have prevented the entire argument. Gotcha. Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Seriously, you are working hard to make this all about yourself, aren't you? I was speaking to you at first, never said I wasn't, but Mutemutt addressed my reply and explained the FCOB differences to me (I wouldn't know about them, I am taking my sweet time with second coil, personally), and then I switched topics to address her line about people wanting it exactly that way, using the original issue of confirmation withdrawal to demonstrate that there are protections already other than needing to default to wait. I was talking to her. If your opinion is the same as hers, that's great, but your original post did not make that clear and no amount of re-reading would have made it so, and in the end, my last reply (which is what I literally just said in my last post) was just not addressed to you.

[Tiggy]

your original post did not make that clear and no amount of re-reading would have made it so

Mutemutt got it. *shrug*

[sarehptar]

Mutemutt got it. *shrug*

Part of that is because Mutemutt knew the FCOB window was different. But beyond that, I think you are a bit confused about my point--my original post to you was asking what is the relevance of defaulting to wait if people are still able to misclick, as your friend did with FCOB. Mutemutt make it clear the window is different, and then explained further to demonstrate for me--who did not know the window differences--that what you were suggesting was pretty much that wait is useful because in the older system used for FCOB, your friend misclicked. However, my last post in the "argument" to Mutemutt was about people wanting to use the FCOB yes/no + no protections system, and I pointed out that that was not the case and that there are already other protections provided that help to prevent accidentally withdrawing. That's just not in any way directly responding to your original post about wait being useful to you.