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    Yimiko Hojo
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    Looking for an official response - Relic weapons

    I've been going after one for a while, and I just cant take it anymore. A third of the way through alexandrite, it's taken more than a month to get this far, and I just can't take it anymore. I can't do anything else with my limited time in the game BUT pursue this one weapon, and it's nowhere near the "ultimate" weapon I can have, leaving all others in the dust. There's always something of the same strength that comes along and takes no time to get. It's been nothing but a frustrating chore and I simply can't see beating my head against the wall for it anymore. So my question is "what was the original intent behind this content, and has it lived up to that intent in any way?"
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    That's exactly what the relic was designed to be, a time sink. And the weapons that compare to it, are not easy to get, at the relic step we have now 125, you have to be in final coil to get either 120/130/135 weapons, so no, it's not easy to get an alternative, you still have to put a lot of time in it. Nobody is forcing you to do your relic, and it is possible to be the best, 2.5 comes along, relic will most likely go up to 135, just another grind. So, it's possible for the relic to be the best in the game, and it's not easy to get for that fact, and that they rely on true rng too much.

    There you have it.
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    If the entire intent is for it to be a timesink, they've done very well.
    If you are comparing the time it takes to do the latest step vs the time it takes to get the latest alternative, then perhaps it is comparable. If You're new to endgame and just got your first 50, you can have a level 110 weapon in under a week, however. But for relic you are looking at atma, books, and alexandrite before that step so it takes considerably longer to reach the same level of strength. For every new step they add, this gap increases further.
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    As far as I'm aware, the Relic Questline was designed to do two things:

    1. Be a timesink.
    2. Keep old content relevant.

    It has succeeded fantastically on both accounts.
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    You can achieve that i110 weapon in a week but you will go no higher than that until the third part of crystal tower is released and you can upgrade the ironworks weapon to i130 and you will probably be stuck there for months until the next interval happens. Those who choose the tougher path (relic/coil) will have the opportunity to upgrade further but it will cost you, as it should.
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    With that i110 you can get into better content that can offer better weapons. CT3 is inbound. You can already get the shiva weapons, which are hardly a bad option. And it's not like we are talking about 125 on all your gear, just the weapon. Weapon will impact damage, healing(not necessarily for scholars), and aggro more than any other one piece, but the difference between all 120 with shiva weapon and all 120 with zodiac is minimal. The difference in the time and effort it takes to acquire is not.
    And this only makes older content relevant for a short time while the people who capped their weapon in the previous step rush the new step. After that, it's just as irrelevant. I would say it has failed in this regard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yimiko View Post
    And this only makes older content relevant for a short time while the people who capped their weapon in the previous step rush the new step. After that, it's just as irrelevant. I would say it has failed in this regard.
    This isn't true. The mere existence of the Relic Weapon keeps this content relevant. Anyone who does the chain has to go through all of the steps. If the stated goal was instead to "encourage high level players to help low level players through old content", then it would be a failure on the principle of human nature alone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yimiko View Post
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    There are people starting new relics everyday thus keeping the content relevant from here on out. Yes it is much easier to get the shiva weapon than to even complete the very first stage of any relic quest... if that is your argument than you will never see why people go through this. It is the same reason im gonna farm the crap outta t9 for the tank coat (but why when you can just get the IW body??) not only is it sexy and glamor is my end game, but it is the achievement. Achievement is your answer, your not doing this for ilvl, hell most people dont realize that the one thing that trumps weapon dmg is SKILL! Your doing this because you want the look of that shinny zodiac, you want the satisfaction of completing a ridiculous ass quest or you might even be holding on to the notion that the final relic will have some sorta special something that no other weapon in game will have. Because in the end the final zodiac WILL be the hardest weapon to get in the game (unless they nerf it and you can start at the zodiac stage or something like that but that will not happen for years and years if it even does) , and every Final Fantasy has that last over powered shinny weapon that we all when through some crazy fight to get.
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    Syanonn Rias
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    Well the original intent of relic weapon is to let people that doesn't raid to be able to get a weapon that is comparable to raid weapon.

    The grind is real but for alexandrites, you have several ways to obtain it - a daily quest that gives a map - it can drop from FATEs - purchased using allied seals or getting map with soldiery.

    For those that can play everyday, just doing the daily expert roulette quest would take 75 days - you can shorten that by spending soldiery or FATE grinds.

    For those that cannot play everyday - perhaps just get the ilvl110 soldiery weapon for the time being or ilvl115 shiva weapon. They are good enough for even end game content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chihaya View Post
    Well the original intent of relic weapon is to let people that doesn't raid to be able to get a weapon that is comparable to raid weapon.
    This just simply is not true. In 1.0, when relics were released in 1.22b/c their intent was to be THE BEST in the game. You had to do Garuda speed run, AV and CC speed runs, hamlet defense, and Ifrit Extreme.

    The original intent of relics was to be the -best- hands down. As someone who got a relic in 1.0 and worked my bum off for it..only to see it reduced to what it is now in game...well...:/

    I find it very disappointing how they changed that without a player poll or asking. 0 interest in coil since gear goes obsolete so quickly, etc.
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    Last edited by Meier; 12-30-2014 at 12:05 PM.

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