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    AyaneKitsune's Avatar
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    Asuka Rain
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    Leviathan
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    Conjurer Lv 80

    Enmity problems as a PLD.

    I am having increasingly difficult times trying to maintain enmity as a Paladin. Especially with people having access to i120 gear, it seems as if I have a very difficult time holding enmity from DPS.

    I usually start out a boss pull with something like Fight or Flight -> Shield Lob -> Circle of Scorn -> Fast Blade -> Flash -> Savage Blade -> Flash -> Rage of Halone.

    I have no problems maintaining enmity as a WAR, despite using the 1,2,3 enmity combo that they have. Given the fact that a Paladin should be the most "tanky" of all the tank classes, its frustrating to lose enmity on a DPS who is completely blowing up the monster.

    My PLD is i113 (same as WAR) and I have the i115 weapon and shield dropped from Shiva EX.

    I was thinking getting a better weapon through the relic questline would be better, but thats going to be long road ahead of me given the fact that I just got my atma weapon for it.

    And maybe equipping 1 STR ring instead of 2 VIT rings would be better? Idk.
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    Coldea Abyssae
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    Sargatanas
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    Conjurer Lv 50
    For boss fights (which means single target enmity), you dont need to use Flash, spamming a 1-2-3 Halone combo should be more than enough. You may weave Circle of Scorn and Spirit Within to increase your dps (and your enmity) during the first combo.
    Flash is nice when you have multiple targets, it is not that great for a single mob.

    Your Ilvl is more than decent, you should not have any problem holding hate unless your dps start the fight before you even shield lob.
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    Aisu Strong
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    Ultros
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    Marauder Lv 60
    yeah, no point using flash for 1 mob
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    Kizuna Astin
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    for a single mob, don't use flash unless you have low TP
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    Player Dererk's Avatar
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    Dererk Titan
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    IV had this problem a few times last patch so I just reset my bonus attribute points around a lot in to strength and things are a lot better for the most part for now at lest. Bedsides I only use full fending accessorys unlike some people THATS RIGHT IM TALKING TO YOU TANKS IN CT. maybe if I'm still having problems I'll use 1 and only 1 strength ring.

    But I have noticed lately that range dps do seam to be gaining hate a lot.
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  6. #6
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    AyaneKitsune's Avatar
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    Well I really only use Flash for large pulls (or dungeon pulls). And the larger the pull I make, the more flashes I make before I start the Fast Blade rotation.

    It was just difficult to explain because I only have 1500 characters to do so. My rotation is similar to:

    Single Target:
    Fight or Flight -> Shield Lob -> Spirit's Within -> Circle of Scorn -> 1,2,3 combo.

    Multiple:
    Shield Lob -> Flash -> Fast Blade -> Flash -> Flash -> Savage Blade -> Flash -> Rage of Halone, with flashing less as the fight moves on.
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  7. #7
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    AyaneKitsune's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Remn View Post
    for a single mob, don't use flash unless you have low TP
    And flashing really doesn't work mid-battle. Its really useful for establishing a high enmity ceiling at the beginning of the pull, but useless if you do it in the middle of the fight.
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    Repoe Zessed
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    Diabolos
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    Marauder Lv 60
    If you're Losing threat on single mob fights, ensure you are meeting the accuracy cap for whatever it is your doing. In regards to DPS accesories, i throw those on dependant of the situation and what we are doing. Usually go full fending for learning as my raid doesn't really have any dps issues once we become comfortable with a fight
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    Robin Ster
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    Marauder Lv 70
    Don't fight or flight before shield lob. Lob -> FoF -> Scorn -> combo

    Or something like that. You end up wasting some of it if you're not putting it between GCD. You also want to get two Scorns in under it.
    You shouldn't have single-target enmity issues with an i115 weapon and current gear even with full tanking accs. Unless you're missing or the DPS is specifically trying to pull (like BLM doing a buffed double flare right on the pull or something)
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    Last edited by Rbstr; 01-22-2015 at 06:34 AM.

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    Kizuna Astin
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    Pugilist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by AyaneKitsune View Post
    And flashing really doesn't work mid-battle. Its really useful for establishing a high enmity ceiling at the beginning of the pull, but useless if you do it in the middle of the fight.
    RoH is the highest Enmity ability PLD got. I only use flash in the beginning on AoE pull.
    also Flash is great tool to regen your TP if you running low during mid to late fight., happen to me a sometime in T11 and T13 as MT.

    I miss those day when BRD use to play TP song T_T. now aday NIN goad can keep DPS TP up for a long while ><, unless ppl die or some1 mess up their rotation..
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    Last edited by Remn; 01-22-2015 at 09:23 AM.

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