Does something need to be done about Vote Abandon?

[FranSeara]

lol...I havnt done WoD yet. I hope its not SO hard that people give up really fast. Vote adandon can be good in times where the KEY roles cant do the fight (Healer, Tanks and yes DPS). Trolls can be the main reason for most Adandon votes. Sometimes its just better to re Q and hope you get a better team.

[Haibel]

But how do you get a better team on not even (at the time) one day old content. It's hard to learn a fight when you keep having the fight end because people just quit.

[FranSeara]

But how do you get a better team on not even (at the time) one day old content. It's hard to learn a fight when you keep having the fight end because people just quit.

True, If I feel that the group is good and willing to stick it out I'll stay. This moring in Shiva Ex with mostly first timer, I was the one to tell them they could WIN! and not to give up. I've beaten the fight 20 times so far. It took 6 tries to clear Shiva Ex with this group but it was worth it to me. Some players will stick it out.

[Donarudo]

True, If I feel that the group is good and willing to stick it out I'll stay. This moring in Shiva Ex with mostly first timer, I was the one to tell them they could WIN! and not to give up. I've beaten the fight 20 times so far. It took 6 tries to clear Shiva Ex with this group but it was worth it to me. Some players will stick it out.

This right here....i do the same thing. I always tell folks we got this, or to remain positive. Its a team, and last thing we need as a team is somebody telling us how we will lose.

[Donarudo]

But how do you get a better team on not even (at the time) one day old content. It's hard to learn a fight when you keep having the fight end because people just quit.

Because quitters will always quit. Frankly they feel everybody needs to do it the way they say or else. Secondly toxic people will always be toxic now matter how nice you are. Best thing to do is ignore them. Let them grumble...just keep pressing on and remain positive.

[ManweSulimo]

Because quitters will always quit. Frankly they feel everybody needs to do it the way they say or else. Secondly toxic people will always be toxic now matter how nice you are. Best thing to do is ignore them. Let them grumble...just keep pressing on and remain positive.

I agree that quitters always quit but I've seen it too many times that you can be nice to toxic people and they at least won't be toxic towards you. But yeah you hit it on the head, keep pressing on and remain positive!

[AdamFyi]

I hope its not SO hard that people give up really fast.

It really isn't as bad as a lot of people are claiming it to be. More or less WoD does inherit some of the mechanics present in the pre-nerf Second Coil of Bahamut - albiet weaker and can be recovered from. So, I understand why people would get mad at abandoning in the middle of the raid since the mechanics punish you for not paying attention or executing them properly. It would be annoying being shoved back into the queue after that whole ordeal of going through most of WoD.

[FranSeara]

Thanks AdamFyi, I 've had WoD in my Q for 2 days now but I keep getting Shiva Ex. lol, still havnt gotten that Smn book!!!

[Chevrefoil]

I agree that vote abandon should have a cooldown time so it can't keep getting spammed by one or two upset people.

That being said, it has a purpose. If the majority of your party and is fed up, would you rather that they just leave and you spend 30+ min finding replacements while twiddling your thumbs? At least with vote abandon, the instance is closed, you get back out into the world to work on other quests/crafting/etc while the next party forms. And I agree that people tend to be dumbs about using it -- if someone wants to abandon after a single wipe, they need to cool their jets. New content is new content, not farm content (yet). I once had a party vote abandon on Titan HM right after the echo was added (it was a wipe past heart phase, so obviously, it would have been doable after another try or two, no major fails in the group). When the vote was declined, the upset folks left; we got new dps in and killed it next go. Phooey on them!

[Haibel]

I agree that vote abandon should have a cooldown time so it can't keep getting spammed by one or two upset people.

That being said, it has a purpose. If the majority of your party and is fed up, would you rather that they just leave and you spend 30+ min finding replacements while twiddling your thumbs?

I really don't think anybody is saying get rid of Vote Dismiss. But the Vote spam needs to stop or at least tell us who is proposing it so we can kick for harassment.