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    queenevilfluffy's Avatar
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    Alina Larna
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    Arcanist Lv 80

    Stoneskin the new cure?

    At least in ST, I've noticed more and more WTM using stoneskin instead of cure on the tank. When I ask him to actually cure he is wasting mp. He asked why and some other dps said that stoneskin was easier on the mp than cure and cure II and that there were a bunch of healers doing it now since it was an mp saver.
    So me being a jerk and the second healer just popped stance and remained in it as I watch the raid nearly wipe several times, I only came out of stance to save us from wiping. I went the asshole route for that one.
    We were also lucky our tank didn't MT.

    So what are your thoughts, is stoneskin in the middle of raids easier on mp than curing?
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    It's pretty easy to mathematically conclude it is not easier on MP than curing (especially with the ludicrous efficiency that is Regen). However, if you have excess MP and time to spare, there's always a case to be made for moar EHP.
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    Akio Shikimazu
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    What happened to good ol' divine seal + medica II + regen + /doze

    :/

    I always figured that Stoneskin midfight is quite the mp drain unless it's a big hit in serious content. If every WHM would regen the Main Tank in ST, he probably wouldn't even need any heals.

    (but what do I know, I'm actually a Scholar ;P )
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    Makani Risvertasashi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shikiseki View Post
    What happened to good ol' divine seal + medica II + regen + /doze
    The one problem with that is the excessive enmity it generates, especially when adds spawn. And, while sometimes a preemptive HoT is worth it on the whole raid, do remember that overhealing counts double for enmity, so it's something WHMs need to keep in mind. Especially in fights where picking up adds is often iffy and uncoordinated...
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    Shinonome Sanada
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    do remember that overhealing counts double for enmity
    Does it? I've always known that overhealing generates enmity like usual, but never that it was double the usual value. Any source for that statement? D: (Didn't find anything on a quick skim through Google search at least. )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raminax View Post
    Does it? I've always known that overhealing generates enmity like usual, but never that it was double the usual value. Any source for that statement? D: (Didn't find anything on a quick skim through Google search at least. )
    ...a bit of info I got from my raid leader. Since I don't have a source, well, say it counts for normal enmity... HoTs ticking on a full raid is a pretty decent chunk and when adds spawn...
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    To be fair, I can see the argument for using Stoneskin as a eHP buffer. If there is only need for one tank and that tank is going to get a constant supply of heals, instead of potentially wasting a Cure by having it cure for 0 HP due to the tank getting topped off by another healer, why not use Stoneskin instead and increase their eHP? That's how I would use Stoneskin in this instance.

    I would personally use this technique if I wasn't in the MT party and I could see that their group was adequately handle their MT on pure heals alone.
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    Aisu Strong
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    id love to see a whm maintain stoneskin in, say garuda nm, and not run out of mp before she dies
    bonus points if you do it without ethers and without a single att point into piety
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    Kaane Moka
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    Every time you heal, it counts toward the enmity bar (t9 is a good example ) but over-healing (aka heal when everyone at full health) does not generate double enmity rate relatively speaking to normal, don't think so!!!
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    Colette Pascal
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    Maybe they are used to healing alongside a good scholar who keeps his faerie running constantly?
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