Ranged DPS dominating Slaughter Mode

[Red_Wolf]

Played Slaughter all of last night. Melee are fine and were a big threat. I died to NIN/MNKs 2 or 3 times. I don't think a BLM ever got me. Paladins are also a huge threat because they had some ability that hit for ~4k.

Most of what I'm reading in this thread is just healing and strategy issues. I'm still clueless as to what melee are expecting to change. Your placement is now important. You focus targeting is now important. You now actually need heals. These were all issues in Secure, but mostly casters dealt with them (and this is probably why there is a learning curve right now).

I gave some tips in my first reply to this thread. Work with your healer and not against them. Learn to flank. Learn to retreat when focused. Follow your tanks.

[Domira]

Played Slaughter all of last night. Melee are fine and were a big threat. I died to NIN/MNKs 2 or 3 times. I don't think a BLM ever got me. Paladins are also a huge threat because they had some ability that hit for ~4k.

Most of what I'm reading in this thread is just healing and strategy issues. I'm still clueless as to what melee are expecting to change. Your placement is now important. You focus targeting is now important. You now actually need heals. These were all issues in Secure, but mostly casters dealt with them (and this is probably why there is a learning curve right now).

I gave some tips in my first reply to this thread. Work with your healer and not against them. Learn to flank. Learn to retreat when focused. Follow your tanks.

Paladin doesn't hit for 4k. Do you mean for 400 damage?

[Red_Wolf]

Paladin doesn't hit for 4k. Do you mean for 400 damage?

Didn't hit me so I can't say for sure. But I heard the first time in that match it was over 3k and the second time it was a one shot around 4k. Somebody really didn't like a BLM on my team.

[Domira]

Didn't hit me so I can't say for sure. But I heard the first time in that match it was over 3k and the second time it was a one shot around 4k. Somebody really didn't like a BLM on my team.

Oh yeah? So how does a paladin hit with 4k damage?

[Saiyakupo]

These were all issues in Secure, but mostly casters dealt with them (and this is probably why there is a learning curve right now).

I gave some tips in my first reply to this thread. Work with your healer and not against them. Learn to flank. Learn to retreat when focused. Follow your tanks.

There is a learning curve as a melee, true, you do have to plan your moves, pay attention, and use good judgement quite a bit in slaughter, yes, but, compare that to playing a ranged. All you do is pick a target and shoot. When enemies start getting close, you shoot them instead, then pull back to the safety of your group and continue shooting. It's so painfully easy playing something like a summoner as opposed to playing something like a dragoon. I've tried both, and the differences are far too massive to consider it balanced and 'okay'.

[Red_Wolf]

There is a learning curve as a melee, true, you do have to plan your moves, pay attention, and use good judgement quite a bit in slaughter, yes, but, compare that to playing a ranged. All you do is pick a target and shoot. When enemies start getting close, you shoot them instead, then pull back to the safety of your group and continue shooting. It's so painfully easy playing something like a summoner as opposed to playing something like a dragoon. I've tried both, and the differences are far too massive to consider it balanced and 'okay'.

I don't think anyone said they are balanced. Melee is incredibly favored in PvP. Melee players are just now realizing the importance of positioning, focusing, etc... That should speak volumes.

I sincerely hope those single melee keep running full steam into groups of 24 people trying to kill them. It's good entertainment. It reminds me of this level 15 Dragoon I watched attack a S-rank the other day in front of 2 full raids.

[Domira]

I don't think anyone said they are balanced. Melee is incredibly favored in PvP. Melee players are just now realizing the importance of positioning, focusing, etc... That should speak volumes.

I sincerely hope those single melee keep running full steam into groups of 24 people trying to kill them. It's good entertainment. It reminds me of this level 15 Dragoon I watched attack a S-rank the other day in front of 2 full raids.

So how did that paladin hit you for 4k damage?

[Red_Wolf]

Do you not see how turtling being the optimal strategy is not conducive to fun or fair play?

There are objectives in the game to prevent turtling from being the optimal strategy. No guts. No glory.

So how did that paladin hit you for 4k damage?

no idea, wasn't me as I said. I can verify a BLM's health dropping from full to zero with a pally standing there over the corpse though.

[Domira]

no idea, wasn't me as I said. I can verify a BLM's health dropping from full to zero with a pally standing there over the corpse though.

What skill does paladin have that can make them hit harder than a caster lb in pvp?

Here is a list of PLD skills: http://ffxiv.gamerescape.com/wiki/Paladin

[daiquentyn]

Melee is incredibly favored in PvP. Melee players are just now realizing the importance of positioning, focusing, etc.

it's really easy to tell melee to position themselves in ways that would benefit them, but it's another thing entirely to actually do this as a melee dps going against 20 casters.

the only alternative to not engaging a group of casters is to sit and do nothing at all. and in that case, melee is pretty much useless.

does a melee have an advantage against a black mage in pvp? yes, probably. does a single melee have an advantage against 10+ black mages grouped together? no way. you'll need at least a few more melee with you in order to be efficient. however, this wont happen, because by now people have seen that being a caster is just easier in huge 72-man battles like this because they can sit back and cast and they have a limit break that does a ridiculous amount of damage for the amount of space it covers.