Succor for t13 megaflare?

[gorezilla1]

I recently left my static because I was consistenly getting into it with my healers. We'd been at t13 for 6 weeks and weren't making progress (hadn't seen terraflare). I am a smn with 5975 hp and our blm had about 5950 hp. Sometimes people (even the monk with 6500hp) would randomly die to the stacked megaflare and I told the sch to use a succor. Both healers insisted that everyone needed vit accessories but I know that I can take 2 stacks of flare stack, a succor (not adlo mind you), and survive a rage of bahamut. It's happened 3 times. The succor issue was the straw that broke the camel's back. I just wanna know: Was I being unreasonable to ask for a succor or sacred soil (I prefer they don't waste aetherflow)?

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

There's this thing about relying on succor for megaflare. If you and the black mage (or anyone else for that matter) have a bit more HP, everyone can survive megaflares (marked one specifically) without any mitigation. This is mainly necessary for the third phase where the megaflares cannot be mitigated aside from succor and sacred soil. Do you really want to bet on that off chance where the scholar may or may not be in time with succor? Really up to you and your group. But this is really demanding from the healers and not just the scholar.

Ideally, you'd want to aim for the following HP minimum:
Healers and casters 6200
Dragoon, Monks and bards 6600 or even 6700

This can be reached by making use of crafted accessories without sacrificing too much damage. This isn't only for the megaflares, though. It's also for the later phases, especially tempest wing and gigaflare.

[SirTaint]

5950 is plenty for a caster IMO.

T13 is a big healer check once people know mechanics. I've heard of succor not registering due to being cast late during mega/giga etc.

In your parties defense since it is a big healer check, adding HP makes the entire fight easier.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

5950 is plenty for a caster IMO.

T13 is a big healer check once people know mechanics. I've heard of succor not registering due to being cast late during mega/giga etc.

In your parties defense since it is a big healer check, adding HP makes the entire fight easier.

Is that with all the vitality bonuses applied? I had an occasion where I was left with somewhere between 30 and 40 HP during the megaflare dives and I was marked for it. I was around 6200 HP back then and I'm a white mage (with party bonus and food)

[Staris]

unless your hitting enrage
no reason not to stack hp, except cheapness / laziness.
also no reason not to pre succor, except badness.

So take your pick.

[Sleigh]

We'd been at t13 for 6 weeks and weren't making progress (hadn't seen terraflare). I am a smn with 5975 hp and our blm had about 5950 hp. Sometimes people (even the monk with 6500hp) would randomly die to the stacked megaflare and I told the sch to use a succor.

Dragon Kick
Storm's Path
6K on casters, 6.5K on non-casters
Succor
Sacred Soil

You need at least two of these things. 5500 HP on casters and 6K HP on non-casters is fine but you need DK and SP up to consistently survive. People honestly exaggerate how much HP you need in T13 if the debuffs are up and people don't mess up, though more HP definitely keeps it lenient on how topped off people have to be for every Megaflare and other select times (final phase Mega > tower, tether hits, Rage with 2 stacks), though all situations an i110 HP player would die SCH can make sure they won't.

[MeridaQ]

What my static does for Megaflares is just call out they are incoming 3-4% before they do (i.e. 77% for the first) that gives healers and anyone else plenty of time to put up protection and debuff the boss. If that doesn't work out maybe get the i110 accessories ;D

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

You need at least two of these things. 5500 HP on casters and 6K HP on non-casters is fine but you need DK and SP up. People honestly exaggerate how much HP you need in T13 if the debuffs are up and people don't mess up, though more HP definitely keeps it lenient on how topped off people have to be for every Megaflare and other select times (final phase Mega > tower, tether hits, Rage with 2 stacks), though all situations an i110 HP player would die SCH can make sure they won't.

Aside from making the healer's job easier, it eases up mechanics more. Prime example being Flare Star. Rage of Bahamut hits me, as a white mage, for somewhere between 5900 and 6100 damage with storm's path and dragon kick up if I have two stacks. While you could argue someone shouldn't be getting two stacks, the tank may not make it in time due to the distance or you get hit by one by accident due to the explosion radius. Playing cops&robbers with a flare star as a DPS would also lead to DPS loss. This is an exceptional pain to deal with for the more popular meta where groups bring two melees to meet the DPS check. If no one has the HP to survive a rage with two stacks, it could potentially mean a wipe. Especially if there are two or more with two stacks up as you can't stoneskin or adloquium everyone with two stacks, get the party to a certain health range, have those with two stacks and the tank(s) topped off. There are several things to deal with between after megaflares and rage.

Also, while Sleigh mentioned you to "pick two", you can't have Dragon Kick or Storm's Path up during Megaflare Dives. This limits you to Succor and the health requirement.

[Ooshima]

I recently left my static because I was consistenly getting into it with my healers. We'd been at t13 for 6 weeks and weren't making progress (hadn't seen terraflare). I am a smn with 5975 hp and our blm had about 5950 hp. Sometimes people (even the monk with 6500hp) would randomly die to the stacked megaflare and I told the sch to use a succor. Both healers insisted that everyone needed vit accessories but I know that I can take 2 stacks of flare stack, a succor (not adlo mind you), and survive a rage of bahamut. It's happened 3 times. The succor issue was the straw that broke the camel's back. I just wanna know: Was I being unreasonable to ask for a succor or sacred soil (I prefer they don't waste aetherflow)?

Reason why you guys can't pass Teraflare:
1) Healer was stubborn to try out something might work for the group
2) You and your caster mate was stubborn in getting melded VIT accessories

It's pretty simple. If your group overall were that good to pull off a perfect run, then you may of course choose not to spend any gil and sit on your 5.9k HP. With good healers, you can.

But the fact is, your group isn't. Someone can't keep up, someone fucks up somewhere, and there someone's gonna kiss the floor. Let me pull you a quote from the Solitude FC:

Skimping on HP leads to shitty wipes. A few hundred HP extra works miracles in this fight.

A lot of people that I knew on my server who have been clearing T13 already still run 6100HP for mages, FYI.

It is the overall raid attitude of your group that pulls everything down, IMHO. For you, it shouldn't be about what you could choose not to, but it should have been what you could have done to bring to the table to help to see things through.

[firstsin]

snip.

Cannot disagree with Ooshima. Do everything you can to help the party then look at who can do more.