New tank perspective, my apologies to established TNKs I've met B4

[Blueskyy]

Sorry to say. But as a a player who main Tank if you blame entirely on tanks. You either 1)Main a DPS or 2) Have not tanked enough 3) Wasn't severally overgeared and 4) Never met DPS who can generate extremely high aggro. AKA good dps.

I don't want to point fingers but please don't self proclaim yourself as a good tank when you obviously didn't even go into high level contents with tank before (From Achievements point of view)


Now lets put the blame aside and help you improve your game play rather than point fingers.

Firstly gain more experience. Think more about what you can improve rather than pointing fingers and expect others to get better. Because they won't if they are pointing fingers themselves

What you can do.

1) Use 1 or 2 more AOEs as starter

2) Use your CDs like fight or flight for PLD Unchain/ Berserk for WAR. I know you don't always have them up but it will improve your overall performance

3) Split your combo. Example. You marked mob 1. One dps is hitting mob 1 the other is hitting mob 2. And that DPS is a melee dps who can generate high burst aggro from start. Don't panic. Take your time to get the aggro back.

How to do it. there are many different ways. Since you open on mob one. You obviously have more aggro on mob 1 so after doing one full combo on mob one, start comboing on mob 2 and alternate it. You play around with how you split your combo, I'm just giving an example. 2nd way is to do combo 1 and 2 then provoke > combo 3 since combo 3 have the most aggro. 3rd way is if the 1st mob is low on health like 30% or less, feel free to switch to the 2nd mob since even if you lose aggro on the first mob, it will only be for about a few seconds. There are many ways to do it. You can experiment and play around with it.

4) Start next pull early. When you are hitting the last mob till about 15% of the HP. Feel free to either stun it or let ranged dps finish it. There's no need to stay around hitting it because your job is to tank well. If you start the next pull early, you can use one or 2 more aoes or even split your combos from start.

There are many more ways these are some of my own. My point is if you are new. Have a open mind and accept that you are bad. Since no one is good from the start especially when Tanks have a Wider learning curve than DPS. Don't care about those butt hurt self proclaim pros but i won't blame them since any people who main dps will fire back when insulted.

[Galgarion]

rabble-rabble-rabble-rabble

lulz, should I link my world of warcraft armory? Should I start pouring over the minutia of experience for my Everquest, and DAOC toons? Is this the only game you've ever played, diddums? Kinda sounds like it if you're going to get that moist over a constructive paragraph that wasn't even aimed at you. Congrats on that WOD clear, I guess? It must have felt like a real achievement after all those heroic and world shattering turn 3 clears. Pffffft.

[Riviere]

lulz, should I link my world of warcraft armory? Should I start pouring over the minutia of experience for my Everquest, and DAOC toons? Is this the only game you've ever played, diddums? Kinda sounds like it if you're going to get that moist over a constructive paragraph that wasn't even aimed at you. Congrats on that WOD clear, I guess? It must have felt like a real achievement after all those heroic and world shattering turn 3 clears. Pffffft.

I don't think his comment was aimed at you either.

[RhazeCain]

So I keep noticing parts of this thread like "should follow marks", "watch agro", etc. Point I want to make is that, in common situations, it is possible to just be such a good tank that it's near impossible for DPS to rip agro.

Let me clarify what I mean exactly: I don't mean FCoB or fights that actually have tough mechanics. I do mean all of the 4-man lvl50 content and ST/WoD. Assume that the tank has at least a minimal understanding of the fights and similar gear levels.

As a warrior main since 2.0, with Ragnarok and ~i120, I can tank groups of trash (AE = Overpower, etc) and not lose agro even when DPS wants to go hard on a single target. To get agro, a DPS would have to pop multiple cooldowns and hit 1 target hard as possible while I'm AEing. However, if I'm AEing, highest DPS for them is to AE as well -- and that has no chance of getting agro unless I screwed up somehow. Single target, pretty much same thing: no chance unless I screwed up. I assume it is same for PLD, but my experience is limited.

Lower levels are also a bit different: level and gear differences there mean a lot. When I was doing it (to level GLD, and 2nd character), I didn't really care if DPS got agro. Let them get hit. They can probably take it well enough to live in those low level situations. Especially if healer isn't complaining. Might make some effort to take it back, but not too much.

So as you can see, "should follow marks", "watch agro", etc... At some point that's just unnecessary. And sadly, a lot of time is spent in this game in minimally challenging scenario -- might as well faceroll that stuff.

[aisustrong]

As a warrior main since 2.0, with Ragnarok and ~i120, I can tank groups of trash (AE = Overpower, etc) and not lose agro even when DPS wants to go hard on a single target. To get agro, a DPS would have to pop multiple cooldowns and hit 1 target hard as possible while I'm AEing. However, if I'm AEing, highest DPS for them is to AE as well -- and that has no chance of getting agro unless I screwed up somehow. Single target, pretty much same thing: no chance unless I screwed up. I assume it is same for PLD, but my experience is limited.


So as you can see, "should follow marks", "watch agro", etc... At some point that's just unnecessary. And sadly, a lot of time is spent in this game in minimally challenging scenario -- might as well faceroll that stuff.

if you have maxed out relic and full poetic, you'd have to be terrible to lose hate
let's see you have any where as easy a time at i90

[Blueskyy]

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Don't be too sensitive man, I wasn't talking about you oh and btw I'm in Fcoil o.o

[Galgarion]

Don't be too sensitive man, I wasn't talking about you oh and btw I'm in Fcoil o.o

Sorry. I was being a reactionary prick.

[LionKing]

I don't know. It seems to me that OP is still a greenhorn when it comes to tanking.

Tips: If you did try your best to hold aggro, OP and yet they still manage to snatch aggro off you, meaning they are way high Ilv than you. If it is the case, they sure can tank the remaining HP on the said mob themselves without you bothering taking it back. I am serious.

[Aurora-Pendragon]

I've been paired with amazing DPS in DF while running dungeons for my books. When I check gear first and I see a NIN in full 130 gear and zodiac weapon and I can still hold aggro from him with my old atma weapon, I know he's clearly helping me by lowering his DPS. Same with BLM who wait a bit before AoEing everything. With these DPS, I never had troubles holding hate.
Flashing during rotation helps a lot. Spliting your combo too, especialy when DPS aren't attacking the same mob. The most common mistake I see from fresh tanks is tunnelvisionning a single mob and ignoring the others. Of course they will lose aggro.

[Galgarion]

Oh, forgot something that personally helps me a lot. OP, try disabling party member names in a dungeon. I find nameplates on party members and their pets really distracts the hell out of me during a run, so I have it set so that only enemies have nameplates while in a party. Leaves my field of vision nice and clear.