SE have any plans to keep White mages from being extinct?

[DreamWeaver]

Can Odin's Einherjar be silenced?
I only cleared it once (thank you PoM and Divine Seal) before I went my merry way on devouring other content.

Seems pretty unreasonable for an attack to deal 50%+ damage and applying a 30 second bleed on all 8 members and expect the healers to "deal with it".

[firstsin]

The fight is a hard dps check. After several ass whooping I decided to parse the fight.

To my horror majority of the dps were hitting around 250 and they were i100+.

I haven't tried it with a premade or do group but will definitely try out the silence idea.

All I know so far is that 1 pld, 2 whm, 5 DPS (at least 1 melee) can easily clear it. Two WHM can easily handle the damage dished out but a SCH needs to be very careful how their pets are used and when to use what skills.

[Raminax]

Yesh, Odin seems like a very simple, but brutal fight. All about big numbers that need to be healed up quickly and big numbers that need to be dished out. Haven't had any luck with beating it yet, one group had Odin casting Shin-Zantetsuken at like 45%. That said, shame on those who give up! :P

[DarkmoonVael]

I am not saying that the odd group will not have a white mage for the flavor but the way things are going both white mages and summoners will be in the same boat coming into the expansion. Why have a inferior white mage partnered up with a scholar when the new healer is looking to carry strong heals and add utility to complement the scholar and the absorb/mitigation mechanics it brings.

Yes I understand that people feel white mage is fine (when it isnt) paired up with a scholar but the only saving grace is because a white mage beats out double scholar from lack of shield stacking but that is the only reason a white mage is of any use. A scholar can prep for massive incoming damage with a properly time succor and rouse/whisper succor with sacred soil which beats out medica I II right now. Seeing a new healer is coming out will more then likely to be the death blow to white mages.

SE have any plans to give utility or some absorbs to the white mage?

So first of all, we dont know anything about astrologians healing style (unless i have missed some major bit of news), so to say that they will make WHM extinct is a little bit of doomsaying if i ever have seen it .

Second of all, due to not knowing anything about astrologians healing style, so we know nothing of how it will fit in to a party. We know it has a deck of cards that that will probably buff party/debuff enemies. Wether these buffs/debuffs function the same as SCH, stack with SCH's ones and are reliable to the same extent as SCH ones is not known. If they dont stack, rely on some sort of draw mechanic (i doubt they will but you never know), and have different functions from sch, yet dont compliment sch ones, then you will not have AST taking the place of WHM in a party. Look at how SE handled the WAR/NIN debuff on enemies, they dont stack. If AST has a buff/debuff that works too similarily to a SCH one, then what is the likelyhood they will be allowed to stack, if they dont stack, its AST/WHM.

AST with healing style , as i have said, is unknown. We can, however, make some educated deductions. We can assume that this healer is going to be make unique compared to sch and whm (whm being the aoe healer, with regen skills, and self cooldowns; sch powerful single target healing and mitigation, with party wide buffs). So maybe they can just take one part of whm and one of sch and stick them together (bad design but meh). In that case it wouldnt make either class extinct over another. However, the more likely scenario is that this healer has been designed to compliment either of the healers in the game, with it only occuring in end game raid where you come across situations that certain pairings of healer will give the group a significantly better chance at passing the content.

TL;DR too early to be doomsaying about one healing class being made extinct, wait and see what AST design is in terms of style .

Hey SCH how are you guys doing in Odin?

Um mainly having a heart attack when there is mass aoe damage going out and the whm i am with decides to cast cure on then tank, then another one, and maybe a third cure just to make sure . How about you? .

[Hysterior]

jobs going 60, WHM will get new skills as well
let's wait before crying, shall we?

[Sebazy]

Here we go again...

A sch solo healed t12....

Likely in a group that pushed to phase 3 with 3 Bennus, doing so trivialises the only unavoidable healing check in the encounter. Assuming people were careful with P4 dives, theres no reason why a WHM can't do the same.

Whats so good about an AoE regen that you can barely use .
Raw healing isnt utility because every healer provides that.

Please do yourself a favour and get working on FCOB, Remember how Turns 1-5 felt when your group first rocked up in darklight gear? Turn 13 (and to a lesser extent, T11) recaptures that feeling and then some, it's a healer check like nothing else I've seen in this game and even with our fairly simplistic spell book, it's a hugely enjoyable encounter that simply pounds you with raw damage rather than gimmick oneshot mechanics.

Whilst yes, I agree wholeheartedly that I'll never pull the DPS numbers on my WHM that I can do on my SCH and certainly, I'd love to be able to help mitigate those transitions in the same way as well. But I also know fondly that if the need arises, I'll always have a big chunk of healing a button press away. Several times now I've kept the raid alive through a missed tower in phase 4 and more relevantly, I've done it without any cooldown or charge dependancy.

Sure, in the perfect minmax world I'd never need to put out that kind of burst healing unexpectedly but alas, I don't seem to be able to find one of these inhumanly perfect groups everyone seems to theorycraft for. It's all good though since I love my group <3

Also keep in mind that almost nothing concrete is known about AST right now. In honesty, the only assumption I'm prepared to come to is that AST is most likely going to be a debuff orientated healer (and similarly, my money is on DRK having an alternative to succor) to offer an alternative to dragonkick for groups without a monk. From there you could either assume that it's going to play similar to a scholar (Heals plus dot dps with a bigger focus on debuffs instead of buffs) or hope that SE really go wild and make the job heal via debuffs on the target or something else of the sort. Gogo conjecture!

I still think that SE missed a trick not going with a melee healer and dressing it up as fencer/rdm though, hire meee Yoshida! =(

[chulaire]

Can Odin's Einherjar be silenced?
I only cleared it once (thank you PoM and Divine Seal) before I went my merry way on devouring other content.

Seems pretty unreasonable for an attack to deal 50%+ damage and applying a 30 second bleed on all 8 members and expect the healers to "deal with it".

Yeah tell me about it...we somehow healed through a redfire explosion today lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFxDyX7w2h0

It was exciting, to say the least XD

[NorthernLadMSP]

OMG, two SCH's in Odin is pretty much a guarantee fail, IMO. I queued in once yesterday as SCH and we ended up getting the other healer as SCH as well. We did not win the fight. Now, I know a WHM is pretty much a must in this fight.

[firstsin]

OMG, two SCH's in Odin is pretty much a guarantee fail, IMO. I queued in once yesterday as SCH and we ended up getting the other healer as SCH as well. We did not win the fight. Now, I know a WHM is pretty much a must in this fight.

How could this be. SCH are better than WHM. Check all of the previous posts. So many great example of SCH doing everything SOLO. Surely you wiped cos there was a WHM hiding somewhere not doing DPS. Oh wait the SCH can DPS and the Pet can heal duh.

/sarcasm off

Annoyingly this in DF is a 100% fail for me so far. Either DPS are dying to AoE or their DPS is terrible.

[HoratioTeakettle]

OMG, two SCH's in Odin is pretty much a guarantee fail, IMO. I queued in once yesterday as SCH and we ended up getting the other healer as SCH as well. We did not win the fight. Now, I know a WHM is pretty much a must in this fight.

No it's not. I had 2x SCH (myself and another), and we healed it no problem with lots of time for both of us to contribute to DPS. I almost solo heal it except for that dangerous time when you have 2x bleeds and you have to heal the tank from the Sangetail.

Be smart with your cooldowns and you should be fine.