How do i push towards 4 star?

[Mishini_Dracoto]

and let's not forget about the Master 2 books. I think skill is actually going to be the biggest barrier to 4-star for a lot of the new 3* crafters.

I agree x10. I only have 1 Supra, and I only have 4 crafts capable of 4* due to those master 2 books. RNG Fails me every time, I've desynthed 20+ Mastercraft Demimateria in one sitting and have gotten 0 mastercraft Demimateria from it. SE & RNG hate me.

As for your brother, if you have 350ish crafts & Control, and 355 CP without food, you can guarantee any 2* Synth at 100%. The rotations are already in these Forums ^^

[chidarake]

Do you mean that the non meldable items you can trade in for with 2/3 star crafts, + supra = 4 star now?

I have not done the math or intend to, but that gear with supra and the new off -hands melded should make you a 4* capable crafter.

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totally agree with you that skill and experience will keep people out of the 3*-4* hq market, but people like glam and you don't need hq for that which is why sometimes i'll put up some nq items for the hell if it. especially the bard kirimu coat.

that being said those mastercraft 2 books will definitely seem impossible to non experienced crafters not to mention the cost for them if you fail too many times which lets face facts is easy as hell to do even with reclaim.

in truth though im happy about that as we don't need to much competition do we....p

[giantslayer]

As for your brother, if you have 350ish crafts & Control, and 355 CP without food, you can guarantee any 2* Synth at 100%. The rotations are already in these Forums ^^

Well, these are the token items, like silver brocades. They are 2*, but are almost as hard to craft as 3*, except mainly that ingenuity still works for them. With HQ base materials, he can pull it off no problem.

[Havenchild]

Do you mean that the non meldable items you can trade in for with 2/3 star crafts, + supra = 4 star now?

You cannot do 4 star crafting even with the new gear + max melds + supra as you still fall short of control. Unless you use food or FC buffs to change that however that's frowned upon because you lose out on a lot of CP which is really important for these crafts.

In terms of the pathway you should go to get to 4 star, what I did was the offhand for BSM first. Since this is a 3 star craft made by BSM, I just used it to make it's own offhand, thus helping me later on when I have to make all the other offhands. I also made Carpenters offhand, since they make GSM and WVR tools.

The first things you want to bring up to 4 star are Weaver and Leatherworker to make the most profit/artisan gear immediately.

So the order of things I think assuming you can already do 3 star crafts for all these:

BSM Offhand HQ
CRP Offhand HQ

WVR Offhand HQ
Work on Turn in tools for WVR Books
Meld out your offhand to reach stat requirement (do research on this beforehand to not screw yourself later, make it future proof!)
Make 4 star WVR Artisan Gear HQ.

LTW Offhand HQ
Work on Turn in tools for LTW Books
Meld out offhand to reach stat requirement.
Make 4 star LTW Artisan Gear HQ

Work on CRP turn in tools.
Meld out offhand to reach stat requirements.
Make 4 star CRP Artisan Gear HQ.

I know you said you only wanted to do make offhands and be a 4 star LTW. To be successful at 4 star LTW, ideally you want to pursue all of the artisan gear as this will give you more stat options later. If like you said, you don't have big money at hand, then you should make all this gear yourself or if you want to save time, find someone to craft it for you if you supply the mats. This will reduce the grind up to 4star LTW as you now eliminate the need to do WVR and CRP 4 star.

So off your opening post, you want to bring BSM and CRP to 3 star at the minimum, LTW to 4 star. If you want to make all this gear yourself though(artisan gear used for high end crafting), you now need to bring CRP to 4 star and WVR to 4 star.

[Smi77y]

@havenchild - you clearly know more than me, but I'm fairly certain after a lot of research that 4 star is doable with new gear + max melds + supra. And you can still use CP food. You could also go for Lucis? It seems like a too big a waste at this point to meld left side gear for minimal stats when the expac is likely going to replace it all anyways. Not to mention it's not shared.

[Beeraga]

My husband got 4 star gold recently, and I got weaver as well. We would recommend getting lucis at this point and go from there. Makes everything else easier and since you get the main materials back for your NQ lucis turn ins, it's not too bad. (Also keep in mind you can farm moonstones from maps and from GC seals to speed it along). Also he was making artisan off hands with supra BSM fairly easy, even made his own for BSM with supra and militia off hand, ixal gloves and spectacles and no other artisan gear, it's not actually that tough of a synth.

Edit: @Havenchild thats similar to what we did. Husband, made off hands for his BSM and my CRP and then I made them for his gold and my weaver and then we both got lucis and then 4 star.

[Aeyis]

I would aim for getting the Lucis before 4* to be honest. Due to the reusable nature of the materials for the HQ turns ins. its both cheaper and far easier to get those then the ones you need for your Master II book. I made the tokens for my weaver before getting an Artisan's offhand.



In addition, I found it better to purchase NQ Artisans Mitts/Culottes/Sandals off the mb instead of aiming to make them myself.
On my server NQ versions that are fully melded (melds done by yourself) go for far less then the material prices for the Sealants.
Doing it this way also has the advantage that you can gain the extra stats from them much earlier on.
The only item that you must get the HQ versions of are the Apron and the off hands.

[Bloody]

4* Crafting Stats as follows: 451 Craft, 407 Control Required.

HQ Max-melded Artisan's Gear (or substitute Ixali Smithing Gloves, same Control on them), Supra, and HQ Artisan Off-hand (no melds) sits you at a pretty 447 Craft and 410 Control. That is with +18 craft in a crafted HQ Artisan Body, or roughly 12 points higher than the token body, and each crafted piece also has 4 higher control possible than the +35s from the token items. Token gear is a great way to get yourself set up and pumping out 3* stuff, but it will NOT get you 4* stats. If you go all token gear, you will need a total of +16 craft and +8 control melded into your offhand, and that's an ugly Craft 4/3/3 Control 3/3 melding I don't recommend.

If you can get your Supra, and you have the skill for Lucis get that, cheapest by far. If you want to get stuff set up for multiple classes at once, gather up your materials and get your master 2 books, then meld roughly 9-12 control (or whatever is needed to get you that 407 mark) into your artisan offhand and use chilled popoto soup with the token gear to reach the craftsmanship you need to do the 4* sets to make crafted artisan gear, because melding it will be much safer than trying to max meld an offhand. Make sure you know your rotation, and it shouldn't be too hard since 4* is almost the same as 3* in terms of skill priorities. Hell, I 100%'d the first 3 artisan items I tried this way with minimal need for Tricks of the Trade. But make sure you have the concept down pat.

[Gillionaire]

got to get that bsm up to 3* so you can make the offhands.

Grinding wheel is made by CRP btw, don't waste money on getting BSM up, then make artisan claw hammer, then grinding wheel that's too much grind.
Just do a 3 star rotation on CRP and pray for decent RNG you should be able to hq it rather easily with maybe a reclaim or two if you run into issues.


Also, why are you trying to get 4 star GSM anyway?
If your goal is to make mastercraft demimateria, there are better ways, and you don't need 4 stars to do it either.

If your goal is to save yourself some money by making your own gear.. Your progression path should be BSM to 3 stars, make 6 off hands, CRP to 3 stars and make off hands for GSM and WVR. Then you can make your own artisan gear (although, I recommend just buying the nq off of MB and melding them to cap. It's a lot cheaper (DOES NOT work for apron though))

there's no reason to get 4 stars on GSM first unless you really want to make your own emperor's throne or something..

@havenchild - you clearly know more than me, but I'm fairly certain after a lot of research that 4 star is doable with new gear + max melds + supra. And you can still use CP food. You could also go for Lucis? It seems like a too big a waste at this point to meld left side gear for minimal stats when the expac is likely going to replace it all anyways. Not to mention it's not shared.

It's certainly possible to craft 4 stars with max melds and supra, but that requires your artisan off hand and it needs to be overmelded and the cost of that more or less offsets the benefits.. Why not just get your full artisan left side, maybe except apron. I bought 3 of them nq for about 1 million. Melded them to cap for about 600k each.. So for under 3m I had near full artisan set. You'll still need artisan off hands, but it doesn't need to be melded as aggressively.


Also, to someone suggesting that he go into artisan gear trade, I think it's a little late to jump in the fray. At least on my server, sealant prices aren't dropping anymore, mcD prices are pretty steady short of 2 people competing for a day or two.. But the gear prices are dropping every day. There's not a lot of margin there to be made unless you have BiS gear to pump out hq MOST of the time. You'll be competing with somebody who's been in that market for months and have much better gear than you AND also can sustain a loss since they likely also have a bigger bank roll.. Why would you want to go up against somebody like that in such a slow moving market?

[Stupiduglytaru]

OP contact me in game if you need any help im on phoenix, im currently 4star wvr and ltw, 3star everything else.

4star is possible without lucis (only have 1 myself)

4star crafting is super easy if you can HQ the mats yourself