We Need A Return Of Players Polls

[Rinsui]

No. We don't. Game development isn't ad should never be a democratic process. The first wave of polls was already a bad idea (and little more than a marketing ploy anyway). We don't need any more random internet nonames with tunnel vision and zero bird-eye view dictating where a game should go (or thinking that they are). That's game a developer's job.

Seriosly, if you think that "the crowd" is a good decision maker (even more so in something as specific as the development of a MMORPG), you need a reality check. Urgently.

Luckily, you are also just part of "the crowd", so I guess it's save to ignore your opinion as well.

And luckily, looking at the last patches, SE largely seems to agree.

The recent changes pretty well reflect what people asked for - and I am pretty pleased with how things have turned out that far ^.^/

[Holland]

I feel we do not need new polls for anything else. The polls back then represent all aspects of the game and with that helped form the vision Yoshida-san had about the game.

Even if they make new polls, they will never ask specific questions like the ones you might be expecting, why? the 95% of all players in all areas (MMORPG, RPG, sports games, etc) are not game developers, therefore unable to provide answers that go with the overall scheme and will impact everything. The polls back then were enough, let the Dev Team do their job and be thankful they are taking into account our feedback.

[darkstarpoet1]

to the people saying we don't need polls and that we should let them do what they want. aren't you the same people that keep pointing out the one question from over 6 months ago? you do not want new polls because you want to be able to point to an outdated question as an excuse to defend anything this staff does. you are AFRAID you may now be in the minority.

where was all this support on the original team? i seem to recall you guys bashing tanaka for doing the exact same thing you are telling us to let yoshi do. not listening to the playerbase and doing what they want instead is the reason this game is in the shape it is in now.

[Alexis_Arteme]

No. We don't. Game development isn't ad should never be a democratic process. The first wave of polls was already a bad idea (and little more than a marketing ploy anyway). We don't need any more random internet nonames with tunnel vision and zero bird-eye view dictating where a game should go (or thinking that they are). That's game a developer's job.

Seriosly, if you think that "the crowd" is a good decision maker (even more so in something as specific as the development of a MMORPG), you need a reality check. Urgently.

While I agree with you, I'm pretty sure these forums would not exist today if players didn't vote hard for them. XI never got official forums, that I'm aware of.

[Holland]

to the people saying we don't need polls and that we should let them do what they want. aren't you the same people that keep pointing out the one question from over 6 months ago? you do not want new polls because you want to be able to point to an outdated question as an excuse to defend anything this staff does. you are AFRAID you may now be in the minority.

where was all this support on the original team? i seem to recall you guys bashing tanaka for doing the exact same thing you are telling us to let yoshi do. not listening to the playerbase and doing what they want instead is the reason this game is in the shape it is in now.

Wrong.

Because they have been listening, and thanks to the polls made at the beginning of the year is the only reason we are happy about the changes, all of them.

Ill put it in perspective, you remember when the polls were made? you think if they make polls now you will see the changes in a month? or even, you think you will see them by 1.19?. I dont know jack about it, but game development is not so simple, they have a set date for when they need to have this game ready, Yoshida-san has already said so in the last three to five letters of the producer. He keeps saying something akin to "were in a tight schedule" or "Time is running out".

They dont have the time to reassess their plans again. All of these changes, they have been in planning for months, not just after 1.18 came out. I dont care if we are minority as you like to point out, I care that I see more people playing than ever since I started and these crafting changes will make even more happy.

The only people I see complaining are the ones who have their crafts close or at 50. The people I see happy with the changes are people who have not leveled a craft because the system is to cumbersome, time consuming and chore to do and thats how its suppose to be. People that dont have the crafts leveled are the ones who are supposed to be happy, because it points out the changes are in the right direction, which means when new people come in that dont have nothing leveled, they wont be disgusted with how stupid it is to spend thirty minutes gathering items to craft, not even in the process of crafting, but just gathering item from other players, to then, craft one piece of armor... That does not make sense and its not fun at all. I stopped at rank 20 for my leatherworker and my weaver and seeing the changes makes me want to try again and level the craft, thats how its supposed to be, the system must make you try and have fun while doing it, not feel like a job.

Thats the real problem this game had at start, a lot of amazing concepts... in paper only....... when implemented total waste of time, no fun and time consuming activities...

[darkstarpoet1]

exactly holland. you do not carethat you are in the minority because you can point back to an old question that is outdated and no longer has any relevance as to the reason the changes are fine. you may want to reconsider the crafting thing because if you look at the best items to grind to rank up are the parts. that's what's being taken away from you not me. i already have mine ranked up and if it takes you 4 months per class to catch up that's just fine with me.

the people you see supporting the changes are not intelligent enough to realize that to make a hammer you may need a hammer head and a handle.

[Holland]

exactly holland. you do not carethat you are in the minority because you can point back to an old question that is outdated and no longer has any relevance as to the reason the changes are fine. you may want to reconsider the crafting thing because if you look at the best items to grind to rank up are the parts. that's what's being taken away from you not me. i already have mine ranked up and if it takes you 4 months per class to catch up that's just fine with me.

the people you see supporting the changes are not intelligent enough to realize that to make a hammer you may need a hammer head and a handle.

To make a hammer it needs a hammer head and a handle.. in real life only... (I understand the appeal a realistic crafting system has, but, again thats on paper only, implemented we see what we have now, a very convoluted, time consuming crafting system)

There will be something else to grind on if parts are removed I am sure of that, so its not the end of the world. This is the same issue as with the repair system, the crafting system as it is now is to complex before its even fun to do, the only thing they are doing is streamlining it so it does not consume so much of your play time.

They need to streamline it so it appeals to more players to hop in and try out, and even then, a lot of players will not be interested to craft in the least, so the fear "everyone will be able to do it and no one will buy anything" is not true at all.

I am sure I am not on the minority, but I dont really care if I am either way. Besides the fact they need to change the mini game, the recipes needed to be changed to something more simple. Yes, it makes less sense if you go by real life objects, but it is not fun what so ever to spend so much time (not even in the action of crafting itself) just gathering the parts to then start crafting that it takes away the fun part of it and makes it a chore and frustrating endeavor to most.

They are taking feedback. Wait until is implemented to then request adjustments, they have already decided they will do this, just like enmity meter, dark matter, AA, MP costs and countless others which realistically is their job to decide, not us. Some will not like it, some will, but the point is, it does not feel a job to craft but something you have fun doing.

[Abriael]

to the people saying we don't need polls and that we should let them do what they want. aren't you the same people that keep pointing out the one question from over 6 months ago? you do not want new polls because you want to be able to point to an outdated question as an excuse to defend anything this staff does. you are AFRAID you may now be in the minority.

LOL. What you seem not to understand is that being in the majority or minority or an unidentified demographics with absolutely no verifiable reflection on the playerbase, not to mention any bird-eye view on what the game needs, is absolutely inconsequential.

The old polls have no more validity than any poll made today. It was zero them, it's zero now.

You think that the developers of a game (any game) should just go out and do what a bunch of random internet nonames are telling them to do, and that's absolutely ridiculous.

But this is the internet, where everyone is a game developer. Lol.

[darkstarpoet1]

LOL. What you seem not to understand is that being in the majority or minority or an unidentified demographics with absolutely no verifiable reflection on the playerbase, not to mention any bird-eye view on what the game needs, is absolutely inconsequential.

The old polls have no more validity than any poll made today. It was zero them, it's zero now.

You think that the developers of a game (any game) should just go out and do what a bunch of random internet nonames are telling them to do, and that's absolutely ridiculous.

But this is the internet, where everyone is a game developer. Lol.

yeah how dare i think that they would want to make the game better for the people that are willing to spend money on a game?

how dare they try to find out what their players want?

i mean it's not like people are still throwing an out of date question and how people answered it over a half year ago.

[Sophia]

couldn't agree with you more poet