^^^^^while its nice trying to reverse what im saying to fit your argument, truth is that you just justified that unless you do something awkward, you can only do both if the group you are with is not rushing. And this doesnt just apply to end game raids. when you are in a regular 4 man dungeon and you are "NEW" to the game and dungeon and you happen to get speedrunners in your party, it puts you in a tough spot to hurry and roll while trying to check out what you are rolling on while other players are rushing. Like I said, its casual MMO, so why rush?