About Kicked individuals returning to the same instance...

[Musashidon]

other than flat out not allowing a player to re-enter the same instanced they were kicked from, there isn't much they can do.

the whole can't be paired with blacklisted players gets complicated and makes ques very long, seeing how once you start adding in everyones blacklist the number of players that could be paired is greatly decreased.

a player kicked shouldn't get a penalty as there are plenty of vote kick abuses and someone getting a penalty because of trolls is not the way to go.

the best i can say (even though its not the best solution) just kick the player if said player returns kick again and proceed to leave before anyone joins so you may avoid the 30 minute penalty.
but like i said its not the best but its a ok temp till something is done (if anything at all)

[Hyrist]

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Yes, but that still penalizes the player that queues up with good intentions and is forced to reset their instance (possibly losing their Adventurer in Need bonus as well.) on account of a single individual who took it among themselves to misbehave.

As far as Vote Kick abuse, that can be reported and a 5 - 10 minute penalty is minor compared to the 30minute penalty of someone who is kicked from Frontlines.

With so much reliant on instances to accomplish things. Waiting for friends to have a 'safe' instance becomes increasingly counterproductive, and with the lack of tools in place, the few bad apples in the community can leave a strong, lasting negative impression upon players. I'm just worried about the long term impacts of this, as it's straining my members at this point.

[Krr]

As far as Vote Kick abuse, that can be reported

"Differences in playstyle caveat means I can kick anyone I want" crew incoming in 3, 2, 1...

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I'm amazed people are against this. Why are some people so quick to want to get back into a dungeon with a group of people who just kicked them out, anyways?

"Differences in playstyle caveat means I can kick anyone I want" crew incoming in 3, 2, 1...

Hi there

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post2358628

[Musashidon]

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to me it's a lose/lose either way good players are being punished for what bad players do and which they will not stop doing as there is no 100% way to stop this, a penalty will get rid of them ever being able to rejoin (unless dead period and you don't get a replacement in time) but when the same thing happens to good players they have to wait to reque. so it really comes down to which way you would rather have it.

now i will say you can report players who reque and screw things over. afking on purpose to hinder the group is reportable, griefing is reportable.

[Hyrist]

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I just hope they have something in the works for a more immediate solution. Cause re-queuing itself is a problem when you just wind up with the same individual. You don't see the resolution of utilizing the report system, leaving the player feeling dis-empowered and disenfranchised. They don't matter enough to invoke something until a committee comes and looks at it. That doesn't solve the short-term problem that becomes a long term one due to repetition of encounter. It also puts unnecessary policing work on the Game Masters where a simple kick should have resolved the situation in favor of the majority the first time around.

I'm in support of the "Can't return to same instance once kicked." Idea. I'm just hoping we can get some acknowledgement either way from SE on this to let those chafing badly under the issue know that relief is on the way.

[Alberel]

other than flat out not allowing a player to re-enter the same instanced they were kicked from, there isn't much they can do.

the whole can't be paired with blacklisted players gets complicated and makes ques very long, seeing how once you start adding in everyones blacklist the number of players that could be paired is greatly decreased.

a player kicked shouldn't get a penalty as there are plenty of vote kick abuses and someone getting a penalty because of trolls is not the way to go.

the best i can say (even though its not the best solution) just kick the player if said player returns kick again and proceed to leave before anyone joins so you may avoid the 30 minute penalty.
but like i said its not the best but its a ok temp till something is done (if anything at all)

Considering that other MMOs prevent a kicked player from returning to the group that kicked them, this is very much doable. Any reasoning at all from SE or anyone else for as to why they can't or won't do this is just rubbish.

If you kick a player it means you don't want them in your instance. Being able to rejoin the same party you left means the vote kick function is not fit for purpose.