About Kicked individuals returning to the same instance...

[DoctorPepper]

Not really sure why people are debating this at all, the only feasible option is to make it so kicked players can't re-enter the group they were kicked from. The solution is simple so why are you guys trying to complicate it?

Odds are it wasn't SE's intention for kicked players to re-enter the same dungeon and it only really applies to jobs in short demand. I'm willing to bet that this QoL change is on their list and that they just haven't gotten to it yet.

Out of all my time playing this game I've only encountered this issue one time so I wouldn't call it a high priority based on my own personal experience but I would like to see the change made. If your friend is going to quit over one bad experience then he's probably going to quit anyways, tell him to get over it and move on.

[Neuflune]

Not really sure why people are debating this at all, the only feasible option is to make it so kicked players can't re-enter the group they were kicked from.

I agree with this.

I had the "honor" of being paired by Duty Finder with a tank who liked to verbally harass anyone in his party. One day, I was lucky enough to be partied with him again. He trashtalked me because I "couldn't heal Shiva Ex solo" and even went as far to say that "noobs should be using party finder and party up with other noobs". It was not aimed at me, but to the other healer who was new to the duty (he died so I had to heal Shiva Ex solo). Someone kicked that tank out, but then he went back in the duty which prevented us from getting another tank. The other people just gave up instead of kicking him again, because obviously he would just come back again. That's 7 people inconvenienced because some guy wanted to keep trolling us even after he was kicked.

If he had been kicked unfairly, he could file a report to SE. But for us who really didn't want him in our party for valid reasons... there was no way for us to protect our group from him because he could just go back in and troll us.

[lvlagmarink]

As of right now the best way to deal with this would be wait for about 5 mins before allowing "finding more member", that way if the said kicked player decided to requeue again to join in progress, the player might end up on another instance or another join in progress instance.. The player also may gain penalty from trying to get into your instance if the player clicked withdraw 3 times

[Dijana]

I've seen this happen in both good and bad ways. Bad- when someone is trolling and are kicked from a group, immediately requeuing and getting back in, as happened to your fc mate. When its a tank or healer which are rarer than dps, it's likely they'll get back in the same group.

Good- Ive had friends go into groups, ST for example, that are full fc groups aside from them who kick them out before a specific boss because they dont want the person not in their fc to get loot over someone they're competing with on the same job.

I have no idea how hard or easy it is to implement a fix to not let them back in the same group (though it would be handy). Hopefully someday they do, in the meantime its best to just wait a couple minutes before hitting the find new member, as suggested above. If the kicked person was a tank, they'll likely get an instant or very quick queue anyway for a different group, and they'll get a lockout penalty if they withdraw from that window when they see it's not the in prog one they were just doing.

[BraveheartRamo]

In one of the runs I had, a party members was kicked due to an emergency for repairing his gear. Then quickly came back to resume the run. While this is an advantage but it can't be valid not to restrict kicked player from requeuing, at least for minimum x min. So I join to support OP

[lvlagmarink]

In one of the runs I had, a party members was kicked due to an emergency for repairing his gear. Then quickly came back to resume the run. While this is an advantage but it can't be valid not to restrict kicked player from requeuing, at least for minimum x min. So I join to support OP

I've had one run where the tank which queued with dps and these tweety lovebird lala hugging each other every 3 mins, the tank needed repair so vote kick was initiated and hoping he will get back to the dungeon, another tank joined in and got vote kicked because he wasnt the lala's darling.. And the tank was new to the dungeon too.. Poor sod

[Fynlar]

I'm amazed people are against this

Sums up the vast majority of my time here on these forums

[Sadana]

Tell your FC mate that the FC and other friends will make a point of going to dungeons with them. No more pugs.
What about the DR? Skip it (ofc you can team up for HM & Expert). What would you rather have, extra exp or no grief?

[Hyrist]

Tell your FC mate that the FC and other friends will make a point of going to dungeons with them. No more pugs.
What about the DR? Skip it (ofc you can team up for HM & Expert). What would you rather have, extra exp or no grief?

With respect, I addressed this earlier.

With so much reliant on instances to accomplish things. Waiting for friends to have a 'safe' instance becomes increasingly counterproductive, and with the lack of tools in place, the few bad apples in the community can leave a strong, lasting negative impression upon players. I'm just worried about the long term impacts of this, as it's straining my members at this point.

I pose a simple question: Why should an individual have to join a pre-made party only to evade players that a kick should have already addressed? It makes no sense even to me and not in the least to my FC mate.

I'm already pretty much reliant on at least partially premade parties on my Dragoon Character to alleviate queue times to play on my desired class. That much inconvenience I accept. But the fact that a kick has no consequence for a Tank who can simply rejoin the very same party by clicking "Join in progress" is unnecessarily enabling harassment.

[Sadana]

With respect, I addressed this earlier.

My apologies. Clearly low on coffee this morning... ><;

Is it inconvenient, yeah... but this is pretty much how I and some others from my FC got through the game. My first ever DR experience had some twerp cussing at me (this was during Early Access) for nothing more than me saying I was having a hard time targeting with the controller. Hate to be so thin skinned, but that left a lasting bad effect on me.

There's other stuff to do while waiting for folks to be free (side quests, crafting, etc.). If we have fewer people online for some reason, I will 'stack' dungeon runs by telling folks "I'll go to X dungeon with you when I finish Y dungeon with SoNSo" (hell, swap help and have the same team go to both dungeons if they can.) I leveled and geared each role so I can fill the whatever's needed for any dungeon run.

That being said... I can't imagine how long it would take for the DF queue to check everyone's blist before signing people up. Can you imagine trying to get into CT or Frontlines? :/