About Kicked individuals returning to the same instance...

[Hyrist]

I have a FC mate very upset at a situation that was imposed on them.

A very verbal tank found through Duty Finder was kicked from the group after preforming VERY questionable pulling practices (Pulling an entire group in Halitali from entrance to boss and locking the monsters in the boss zone with the players, exiting out themselves).


The group then kicked the member who promptly re-queued and returned to the very same party that kicked them.

I recall this being an issue presented by the community before, but I did not know if there was any word on the matter. Is it possible for me to get an update to see if this is something the Developers would be willing to fix. It's very upsetting to have to repeatedly deal with a person whom you've already agreed to kick within the group moments after just kicking them.

While not encountered frequently, such bad experiences may be enough to drive players away - as I am found right now attempting to calm my FC mate down who is saying, flat out, that he does not wish to support SE if this matter isn't resolved.

I see multiple possible solutions to this matter. Have blacklisting be account-based and not server based, and players who are on one another blacklists are not paired. While questionable in implementation, a cool-down period for queuing (something small, like five to ten minutes?) Could be implemented to players who are kicked from instances, to better enable a replacement of a different player into duty. Or simply disabling someone from rejoining the same instance they have been kicked from (though this may require some more in-depth coding, but will probably be optimal if it is done.)

If there is a planned fix on the way, I would like to be made aware of it so I can reassure my FC mate of such and keep him here with us. He's well loved in our FC and I know there'd be a pretty strong hit to our FC's morale if he were to leave over this issue. Any response officially (Or even a link to an official response I've overlooked) would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your time.

[Musashidon]

other than flat out not allowing a player to re-enter the same instanced they were kicked from, there isn't much they can do.

the whole can't be paired with blacklisted players gets complicated and makes ques very long, seeing how once you start adding in everyones blacklist the number of players that could be paired is greatly decreased.

a player kicked shouldn't get a penalty as there are plenty of vote kick abuses and someone getting a penalty because of trolls is not the way to go.

the best i can say (even though its not the best solution) just kick the player if said player returns kick again and proceed to leave before anyone joins so you may avoid the 30 minute penalty.
but like i said its not the best but its a ok temp till something is done (if anything at all)

[PariSexus]

I agree. A penalty would open up venues of abuse. However, limiting the person who is kicked not to join the same instance/group is reasonable and probably under the scope of good practice. We recently experienced something similar in a duty finder turn 7 where the tank just had a really bad attitude. After various attempts to get the person to just calm down and stop with the harrasment of particular party members the group decided to kick him/her. The person requeued and joined the same party and then AFk'd.

So we did what anyone in our position would do. We 7 man'd it.

Classy stuff.

[Hyrist]

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Yes, but that still penalizes the player that queues up with good intentions and is forced to reset their instance (possibly losing their Adventurer in Need bonus as well.) on account of a single individual who took it among themselves to misbehave.

As far as Vote Kick abuse, that can be reported and a 5 - 10 minute penalty is minor compared to the 30minute penalty of someone who is kicked from Frontlines.

With so much reliant on instances to accomplish things. Waiting for friends to have a 'safe' instance becomes increasingly counterproductive, and with the lack of tools in place, the few bad apples in the community can leave a strong, lasting negative impression upon players. I'm just worried about the long term impacts of this, as it's straining my members at this point.

[Krr]

As far as Vote Kick abuse, that can be reported

"Differences in playstyle caveat means I can kick anyone I want" crew incoming in 3, 2, 1...

[MilesSaintboroguh]

People posted screencaps of GMs telling them that you can kick people out of a duty for any reason but denying them of loot is not ok.

[Musashidon]

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to me it's a lose/lose either way good players are being punished for what bad players do and which they will not stop doing as there is no 100% way to stop this, a penalty will get rid of them ever being able to rejoin (unless dead period and you don't get a replacement in time) but when the same thing happens to good players they have to wait to reque. so it really comes down to which way you would rather have it.

now i will say you can report players who reque and screw things over. afking on purpose to hinder the group is reportable, griefing is reportable.

[Alberel]

other than flat out not allowing a player to re-enter the same instanced they were kicked from, there isn't much they can do.

the whole can't be paired with blacklisted players gets complicated and makes ques very long, seeing how once you start adding in everyones blacklist the number of players that could be paired is greatly decreased.

a player kicked shouldn't get a penalty as there are plenty of vote kick abuses and someone getting a penalty because of trolls is not the way to go.

the best i can say (even though its not the best solution) just kick the player if said player returns kick again and proceed to leave before anyone joins so you may avoid the 30 minute penalty.
but like i said its not the best but its a ok temp till something is done (if anything at all)

Considering that other MMOs prevent a kicked player from returning to the group that kicked them, this is very much doable. Any reasoning at all from SE or anyone else for as to why they can't or won't do this is just rubbish.

If you kick a player it means you don't want them in your instance. Being able to rejoin the same party you left means the vote kick function is not fit for purpose.

[DoctorPepper]

Not really sure why people are debating this at all, the only feasible option is to make it so kicked players can't re-enter the group they were kicked from. The solution is simple so why are you guys trying to complicate it?

Odds are it wasn't SE's intention for kicked players to re-enter the same dungeon and it only really applies to jobs in short demand. I'm willing to bet that this QoL change is on their list and that they just haven't gotten to it yet.

Out of all my time playing this game I've only encountered this issue one time so I wouldn't call it a high priority based on my own personal experience but I would like to see the change made. If your friend is going to quit over one bad experience then he's probably going to quit anyways, tell him to get over it and move on.

[Hyrist]

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I just hope they have something in the works for a more immediate solution. Cause re-queuing itself is a problem when you just wind up with the same individual. You don't see the resolution of utilizing the report system, leaving the player feeling dis-empowered and disenfranchised. They don't matter enough to invoke something until a committee comes and looks at it. That doesn't solve the short-term problem that becomes a long term one due to repetition of encounter. It also puts unnecessary policing work on the Game Masters where a simple kick should have resolved the situation in favor of the majority the first time around.

I'm in support of the "Can't return to same instance once kicked." Idea. I'm just hoping we can get some acknowledgement either way from SE on this to let those chafing badly under the issue know that relief is on the way.