Thank you for the crafting changes

[Aeyis]

really show me how the list is misleading

To give you a direct answer Nagisa, since i didnt answer it in my post above~
It shows every step of the process to create the final finished item.
In that sence the list is misleading because most of the items listed are in fact made as a manufacture process part of making that final finished item.
If you wanted to use that list to go out and gather you would find it impossible for many of the items, because they are made out of the items that you -do- gather.

For example it shows Yarn and Cloth.
However the Cloth is made out of Yarn, so the cloth has no place on that list (assuming it is a base material list*)

[Kailea_Nagisa]

To give you a direct answer Nagisa, since i didnt answer it in my post above~
It shows every step of the process to create the final finished item.
In that sence the list is misleading because most of the items listed are in fact made as a manufacture process part of making that final finished item.
If you wanted to use that list to go out and gather you would find it impossible for many of the items, because they are made out of the items that you -do- gather.

For example it shows Yarn and Cloth.
However the Cloth is made out of Yarn, so the cloth has no place on that list (assuming it is a base material list*)

I see what you mean about the list, but that still does not say that the list is misleading (at least the link I posted, as it is in a tree format) but even if you ignore all the base items, and just count the items needed to make the robe itself, for a low level item, it is still to much. Now for a high level item like a rank 50 or something, I could see and would not mind needing 6-8 items to make something, but for a level 16 robe? no.....

Just to go back to the Red robe example, this is the base list.

Cotton Robe Back (Red)
Cotton Robe Front (Red)
Cotton Sleeves (Red)
Squirrel Fur Shoulder
Sheep Leather Strap
Cotton Yarn
Earth Shard x6

now if it was just this, honestly I would not mind. but then you have to think that each of these items are made from something as well.......

Cotton Yarn x4
Mesa-red Cotton Cloth x9
Mole-brown Hempen Cloth
Earth Shard x16
Wind Shard x9
Squirrel Fur
Sheep Leather Strap


now even before this list, you have to remember that all these items are made from stuff too -.-

This is what I am trying to get at, it took way to much to make just one item.

Now a lot of the things I had issues with are being solved just from the color revamp, I do feel that they might have gone a little to far with the reworking of recipes, but at the same time, they seem to want to simplify it first, then go back and ramp up higher levels, and that is fine by me.

[darkstarpoet1]

I see what you mean about the list, but that still does not say that the list is misleading (at least the link I posted, as it is in a tree format) but even if you ignore all the base items, and just count the items needed to make the robe itself, for a low level item, it is still to much. Now for a high level item like a rank 50 or something, I could see and would not mind needing 6-8 items to make something, but for a level 16 robe? no.....

yes, it is misleading in the fact that list says you need

cotton bolls
cotton yarn
cotton cloth

moko grass
hempen yarn
hempen cloth

to start the synth if you with to make the item from scratch. what you need is cotton bolls and moko grass. that's 2 items that turns into 6 and that is itself is misleading. if you want to talk about making an item from scratch then you can not say you need the starting and secondary parts at the same time. it doubles to triples the amount of items when you say you need to start off with.

i agree that alot of the lower level synths don't make much since as in a rank 10 weaver if they are just starting out they may not have armorer or leatherworker leveled at all, yet. to me anything that requires another class to make a part for should be left for higher level crafted items if they are not common items. in other words requiring a buffalo leather strap is ok, but needing leather shoulder guards is not. once you advance to higher levels i feel it is fine to have this type of item in the synth because by the time you have made it higher you are either able to do the other classes yourself or have made high level crafting friends that can.