Measurements for DPS contributions (Please SE...)

[Werhusky]

I wouldnt even bother to join those 1 fail = kick partyfinders as it only shows that people think they are perfect. Seriously THE DERP IS WITHIN US! Had a full premade group in derp 7 (its no real coil anymore after nerf :P) just trying to get 1 fricking single sand for my alt ALL had kill xp (some only 2 kills before but oh well does it count?) partwise up to T13 and it took us 5 tries to down it because there the person with shriek got lagspike, here tank lost aggro for a sec, then venom sneaked in,.... I dont believe in 1 fail=kick as even with 8 carry xp ppl STUFF can happen be it irl distraction or anything.

[Werhusky]

Oh you dont need to be good to clear stuff. I met a dragoon raidlead of a friend T12 static to say it short: ate every circle blade in T7 every single AOE in shiva EX.
Skill seems to be barely needed (thinking also bout healers going: "why should we stoneskin/adlo tank for ravens we are OP?" in turn 9 and getting their T9 kill before me). All you need is determination and people with the same level of that. Sure DPS output is also needed but question is to which prize? Is it worth taking unneeded damage and stress healers? My judgement if someone is good or not goes beyond pure DPS. Dodging and thinking ahead are an important point for me and I didnt make it past turn 9 yet ^^

[MidlaneGod]

#legalizeit

[Elusana_Celah]

I understand the reasoning behind how this would be "toxic" on all scales of the spectrum here. But this game has too many DPS checks and pushing enough DPS to clear these checks requires skill and many players can improve themselves by having numbers to read showing them their progress rather than just blindly following some combo move that they read in a guide. I was following the common black mage combo but it still didn't help me knowing if I had too much downtime or I could have done better elsewhere such as timing of blizzard 3s yata yata. If you have an issue meeting DPS checks no matter how much you bitch at people they won't know it was even their fault without having the ability to measure things and I feel most people would improve upon seeing that they are not performing good enough to beat that content.

Another thing is that I feel toxic people are going to be toxic no matter what tools you give them. Still, DPSing in this game has too many variables in place that I don't think would allow someone to sit with top DPS at all times so these tools COULD be used to judge someone unfairly. I say allow people to read their own DPS in fights without anyone else being able to see it so at least when the leader is like, "DPS is too slow! We shouldn't be pushing 6 meteors" people can look over at their readings and silently acknowledge they are not performing well and know to shapen up.

[Hayward]

I don't know if Nintendo scrapped this in Smash Bros. or not, but I would not be against a stat sheet posted after completion of a dungeon or trial. Of course no names would be displayed. Just general DPS, Healing and Tanking stats that would show how much of a team effort was being put forth.

[FenreyVarnell]

The only way I would approve of this is if people didn't wave their e-dicks about it.

Use that shit for self-improvement, because bragging rights will kill this game's content in a heartbeat.

[Almalexia]

The developers already have a tool to measure DPS output as part of balancing classes and content. DPS--as a concept, not a class--is something this game is tuned for, and making it invisible to players is a disservice. Tanks can gauge enmity, healers can gauge HP, but what metric do DPS have? All we have some function of mob's HP% versus time spent, which is best illustrated by "how quickly does this mob, which we've fought a few times already, advance into its next phase? there weren't as many balls/void zones/adds/tank busters/beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees/wing wangs this time, so based on that circumstantial evidence DPS has gone up"

This is imprecise.

[Steady]

The last time I posted anything suggesting a measurement of DPS I got locked out from the forums for a week. Just fair warning.

[QiLymePye]

Im thinking, maybe when they add the Gold Saucer thing, maybe have some sort of Hologram style room(like holodeck in startrek) where you can go in and fight a holographic boss of your choosing with a party so that you can practice mechanics. Or maybe add something likethat that you can build and place in FC house so you and fc mates can practice different fights. would go along way to helping people learn and practice. Cause i can watch all the video i want, read all the forums i want, but to actually fight the fight is different. I watched video for leviathan, was like ok i got this, then i played...OMG....

[Amiantos]

There needs to be something in place to hold people accountable for their ability to play. I've come across some dps in 4 man dungeons where the warrior is out dpsing the mnk or black mage and all I can think is "Really?"
I'm all for helping people if they need to fine tune their rotations and such, but if you're showing no initiative to really learn the class I'm not going to sit there and spoon feed you as I have my own things to do. I've come across monks who just sit behind the boss and just spam their skills there.