Measurements for DPS contributions (Please SE...)

[Vespar]

An in game parser would not bug me if it could only be used to view your OWN DPS or healing. But since the reason everyone wants it is to see how they stack up against everyone else, Im kind of against it. It would just cause problems because people will start to argue about who is better and the folks who dont meet a certain percent on DPS will start being cut from or excluded from things.

[Taika]

and the folks who dont meet a certain percent on DPS will start being cut from or excluded from things.

But honestly, if a DD is doing less DPS than is required for certain encounter, their place is not in that encounter yet, but instead somewhere else, practicing doing their rotations while dealing with mechanics. If a DD does under 200 DPS, they should not be in a Second Coil or Final Coil group. Pointing this out to someone is not bullying or elitism (as long as it's done in a polite manner).

The problem is many of the fights in this game require every single DD to do certain amount of DPS. If even one DD is significantly underperforming, the group will fail, even when all other DDs were doing things perfectly right. Without a parser that shows DPS of all party members, there is no way of knowing who is not up to the task.

[Delsus]

Yes third party parsers are against the ToS, but as they don't contact the server or modify data, just read the data stored locally SE cannot track their usage. You won't get banned as long as you don't talk about it, or talk about it out of the game.

For example if you are parsing and discussing the information ingame (party/fc/ls chat etc) and someone decides to report you, yes they can take action against your account because there is server side evidence of you saying you are parsing which, for now, means you are using third party tools. However if you use voice chat to discuss parsing results there is no evidence you have used anything. SE don't accept hearsay as evidence to take action against accounts, just hard evidence.

[Accolade]

Personally I am set against DPS parsing on a party scale.
Maybe a personal DPS checker that only shows your DPS could be implemented, this way you can only become competitive with yourself, and choosing to compare scores is a team choice.
I do agree with you on one hand that it is annoying not knowing, but on the other hand this type of feature adds toxicity to the community, a reason they did not plan add it.
Some people love to top dps charts, with little regard to others, such as blms that refuse to move in order to max dps, but put unnecessary pressure on the healer busy trying to avoid the mechanics. (an example, not targeting anyone)

If top dps *Sometimes* people jump on their high Chocobo and proceed to talk down to others, at least in my exp. There is nothing wrong with trying to better your skills at all, but play for fun, not for efficiency. If you find being efficient fun? Thats fine, but remember some dont, and they do not play games to be shouted at or dictated to.

[Atomnium]

and the folks who dont meet a certain percent on DPS will start being cut from or excluded from things.

Double think about it, maybe it's needed? A good slap in the face sometime in order to make the player realize that he/she suck at something will force people to work on it, to improve themselves, to no longer be excluded from things.
It could be a serious improvement to our community and also raising the quality rate/level of party finders.

[Zaero]

Double think about it, maybe it's needed? A good slap in the face sometime in order to make the player realize that he/she suck at something will force people to work on it, to improve themselves, to no longer be excluded from things.
It could be a serious improvement to our community and also raising the quality rate/level of party finders.

You mean all the PF's that would just turn into "KNOW THE FIGHT, 400 DPS OR YOUR OUT!!!", only to have said PF leader dying on every big mechanic and measurably not pulling their weight? I'll pass.

[Atomnium]

You mean all the PF's that would just turn into "KNOW THE FIGHT, 400 DPS OR YOUR OUT!!!", only to have said PF leader dying on every big mechanic and measurably not pulling their weight? I'll pass.

So it mean that you prefer to actually "enjoy" that sort of experiences over and over? It is very difficult to find a good "farm" party with party finder, it is very rare to be surprised by the quality of your mates when doing something with strangers.
I don't know for you but the wiping/carrying experiences with party finders isn't something I personally enjoy. That's the reason why I no longer join them.
Bad leaders exist everywhere on every servers, total-jerks are well know for being jerks by others and an ingame parser service will not change anything about them.

But a personal parser would be an incredible tool for self improvement, very needed since the game isn't going to teach you anything the hard way when it come to endgame contents during your leveling process.

[Zaero]

So it mean that you prefer to actually "enjoy" that sort of experiences over and over? It is very difficult to find a good "farm" party with party finder, it is very rare to be surprised by the quality of your mates when doing something with strangers.
I don't know for you but the wiping/carrying experiences with party finders isn't something I personally enjoy. That's the reason why I no longer join them.
Bad leaders exist everywhere on every servers, total-jerks are well know for being jerks by others and an ingame parser service will not change anything about them.

But a personal parser would be an incredible tool for self improvement, very needed since the game isn't going to teach you anything the hard way when it come to endgame contents during your leveling process.

DPS numbers are good and all, but not dodging plumes/dives/divebombs tend to wipe a party too. I just know what I'm getting into when I join a party. People are far too fixated on numbers to realize that if you die, your DPS becomes 0. I'd rather run with someone with slightly low DPS that can stay up in Titan EX versus a DPS god that dies on the first plume (which happens far more often than most admit - and I turn it into a drinking game).

But that's the difference between a "Learning" group, a "Going for clear", and a "farm" group. Each have an explicit expectation on skill (aka how good you are with MECHANICS).

[Accolade]

Double think about it, maybe it's needed? A good slap in the face sometime in order to make the player realize that he/she suck at something will force people to work on it, to improve themselves, to no longer be excluded from things.
It could be a serious improvement to our community and also raising the quality rate/level of party finders.

Hmm im not sure, I think being rude and ignorant to another players feelings would make them hate the community and quit, resulting in a lower player base, thus longer queues.

Just because someone is doing more dps should not result in developing a god complex and the right to tell people they suck.
More than likely people who struggle with dps are working 12 hours a day or have super social lifes/family. That should be respected as much as a good dps.

[Delsus]

Double think about it, maybe it's needed? A good slap in the face sometime in order to make the player realize that he/she suck at something will force people to work on it, to improve themselves, to no longer be excluded from things.
It could be a serious improvement to our community and also raising the quality rate/level of party finders.

And this is the mentality that makes the community toxic. It doesn't improve the community it just destroys it. I have seen PFs with this kind of mentality waiting for 3hrs+ because of their demeanor whilst the nicer ones fill up.

Putting people down is not the answer. I have been in more 1/1 learning parties than I have 1/1 farm parties, then the one person putting people down drop, we rep and win. Moral of the story the people being an ass are probably the real third wheel.