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    Measurements for DPS contributions (Please SE...)

    I used to be completely against DPS measurement tools cuz they could be used as 'harassment'. However I've been doing T9 practice as my black mage (I main white mage) and our DPS is really slow... and I'm like so is it something I'm doing wrong? Is it me? I'm really getting frustrated cuz I'm someone who blames myself any chance I get because I am literally all about self-improvement and being the best I can at something.

    I mean I try to look at the battle log but that thing is tedious and still doesn't really help me that much. This game requires a ridiculous amount of DPS checks yet there is no system in place to help a DPS actually determine their own group contributions. I mean sure I can see my fire 3 crit for 2400 damage or a bunch of thundercloud procs / firestarter procs but that doesn't really do much for me in the grand scheme of the fight.

    I found that maximizing DPS as a black mage in this game is about timing your 'mobility'. Know when to move and when to just stay in spot because moving around unnecessarily is going to generate DPS downtime and it also seems to matter with little tricks like knowing when Nael is going to divebomb you can have an astral ice 3 on you before it happens so your MP is full when she lands...

    I mean I'm just pointing out how much strategy and timing this game has to maximize your DPS yet there's NO way to see your DPS contributions... I often think that DPS players in this game would be a lot more skilled if they could measure their contributions.

    I realize there are 3rd party software but I don't get involved in things if there's even a slight possibility that I could get banned for it and I hope people can at least understand why... I have horrible luck >_>
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    Last edited by Elusana_Celah; 01-20-2015 at 12:26 PM.

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    wait, what !? low DPS on T9 ? with echo !?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shneibel View Post
    wait, what !? low DPS on T9 ? with echo !?
    5-6 meteors per phase 1 >_> And I have no idea if it was me or not and it's annoying me not knowing. But this is a pretty common theme if you live in my world... full of horrible luck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah View Post
    5-6 meteors per phase 1 >_> And I have no idea if it was me or not and it's annoying me not knowing. But this is a pretty common theme if you live in my world... full of horrible luck.
    the party have 4-5 dps (depend on how many tank), I am very sure, with a single person has low dps with echo buff will not drag the whole pt down to have 5 meteor or 6.

    anyway, the addon is 3.0
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    Last edited by Shneibel; 01-16-2015 at 06:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elusana_Celah View Post
    5-6 meteors per phase 1 >_> And I have no idea if it was me or not and it's annoying me not knowing. But this is a pretty common theme if you live in my world... full of horrible luck.
    Wow thats harsh even when I dps (which is like what 180? dps due to someones tool) we had only 4 and if i heal and sch dps (though believe my sch dps might be higher than some dps on dps classes due to gear/stats) we are at 3 D:
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    Yes a tool to measure your own DPS should be added. I personally only main heals/tanks but if you do some content echoless its hard to judge who slacks only seeing the aggro meters. To beware from haressments maybe seriously only see your own output and if you are a good and nice team noone would lie and say I do 400 dps when its only 200 :P
    Because either way if you want to work as team it will work if not harassment would happen. Own DPS meter would give you that certain kick in your arse (dont wanna see mine though as rotationless and planless as i spam abilities on some classes XD) to improve yourself and get your shit and team going ^^

    And please remember many fights have downtime mechanics that you cant even properly do a rotation (tried titan ex as blm with op team fire 3 - mid fire 1 he jumped >.>)
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    I'm not sure why they put dps checks in the game, then give you absolutely no mechanisms to check it, or to practice. Using a console, you can't even get a log file out. They turn a blind eye to PC users having a huge array of tools at their disposal - and some you could argue are outright cheating. You need an even playing field across all platforms.

    I don't think this information should be shared with party members (unless you OK it), for the obvious reasons, but I can see no reason at all why this information cannot be displayed to the user alone after a battle, or after going some rounds with a dummy. If you're not interested, you can just turn it off. Really it's just a little basic maths, hardly difficult to implement.
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    Are you doing this with a static group? Any members that have gotten a clear before? My FC still does it the 2 tank way with the members we are trying to help usually going in as dps and we get 4 meteors max with 4 dps (sometimes 2 of them are the ones being helped). We stick to 2 tanks to guarantee no funny business is going to happen during golems phase even with our fc's only coil group (3 meteors with 4 dps before echo).

    Anyway, if no one in the group can parse, your best bet is to rely on the party's enmity list and look at your ranking on there. There's quelling strikes but I don't think it is absolutely necessary on phase 1 as long as the tank can open the fight well, so you can try that for a handful attempts just to see where you are in the party.
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    Just use a 3rd party one and dont tell people you are. If your just checking yourself theres no issue really (unless someone reports you)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ruri View Post
    Just use a 3rd party one and dont tell people you are. If your just checking yourself theres no issue really (unless someone reports you)
    Not they are forbidden but MANY players also on Playstation what about us? Get a PC player into static just for a parse that is not allowed?
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