Measurements for DPS contributions (Please SE...)

[AxelDH]

I agree that it should be possible to at least see your own DPS in game.

If there's still a concern about harassment, It could even be disabled in Duty Finder (People tend to troll a bit more in duty finder, possibly because its unlikely they'll encounter the same players again!).

[lvlagmarink]

I feel like enmity bar is enough to tell dps so i dislike this idea..

[Cuervo78]

I feel like enmity bar is enough to tell dps so i dislike this idea..

No, because skills like Quelling Strikes/Shroud of Saints lower your enmity generation.
Also it doen't tell you if the tank is bad a generating enmit.

[Sunako]

I was once in t6 (like 6 months ago) with pf group and somebody told me that I was doing bad dps because I was like last dps in the enmity list so they wanted replace me. Then I needed explain that my pet have different enmity bar... There really is players that think enmity list tell us who is doing highest dps.

[AxelDH]

I feel like enmity bar is enough to tell dps so i dislike this idea..

Not really. For many reasons, including;

- As mentioned above, there are abilities that reduce aggro generation, or cut aggro in half. This doesn't magically make you do less DPS. And If a Paladin provokes the boss off a Warrior who's been beating it up for 5 mins, does the Paladin steal all his DPS too?

- In fights with adds (or Gaols, or Conflags, etc), someone who takes their aim off the boss to actually kill these would not be generating as much aggro on the boss as someone who ignores them and carries on focusing the boss. This doesn't mean the ones dealing with adds are doing less DPS (in fact, they're probably doing more, if they are using AOE's or multi dotting)

- Even without the above points, say its 4 monks beating up on the same target with no other influences, all the 'aggro' bar can tell you is who is generating the most aggro and probably doing 'more damage' than the others monks.... that doesn't help at all. You don't know if you've done well, or if they've done badly.

-Watching your aggro on a training dummy can't help you compare different rotations or gear sets, to determine which puts out the most DPS!

I can't see why you would dislike the idea anyway. If its an option to turn it on/off, you could simply choose not to use it.

[Gallus]

I feel like enmity bar is enough to tell dps so i dislike this idea..

Things that prevent enmity bars from remotely acting like damage meters:

1 - Tank special aggro generator moves (butcher's block, rage of halone, savage blade, flash and a long long etc.).
2 - Healing done also counting towards aggro.
3 - SMN having a pet and doing split damage.
4 - Quelling Strikes.
5 - Enmity bars not providing numbers.
6 - Overall enmity bars being as useful as shooting yourself when trying out rotations.

TL;DR - Enmity bars are next to useless for knowing your damage output.

[Ulathskullsplitter]

No, because skills like Quelling Strikes/Shroud of Saints lower your enmity generation.
Also it doen't tell you if the tank is bad a generating enmit.

Don't forget about elusive jump for dragoons. Theres been plenty of times i know im the top dps by a long shot but because i used elusive jump I end up 5th or 6th on the enmity list.

[randysquirrel]

As I said before, what is to stop them implementing this, but also the functionality to turn it off AND the functionality in PF to limit only people that have it turned on?
The only people I can think that wouldn't want this are those that put out very low DPS and are looking to be carried?

[Hiruke]

As I said before, what is to stop them implementing this, but also the functionality to turn it off AND the functionality in PF to limit only people that have it turned on?
The only people I can think that wouldn't want this are those that put out very low DPS and are looking to be carried?

Yes, basically. Also, it appears SE wants us to carry these people, I guess. The principal argument against dps meters is "harassment", with these people saying that "elitists" are "all jerks" and they are "just trying to play the game". Well, I see just as much harassment coming from those "casuals" as I do from the "elitists", so I'm not sure why they think they are on some kind of moral high ground just because they're bad at the game (it's ok to be a jerk when you play poorly, but not ok to be a jerk if you play better? idk).

I disagree that dps meters will instantly mean everyone is like "500 dps or gtfo". But like, when you see people doing sub 150 dps in Shiva EX and they aren't a tank or a healer (who actually can probably do more dps than this lol), you have to think, this person isn't helping us clear this at all. Or they're a full dreadwyrm MNK and doing 100 dps less than an iLVL 110 SMN. Like, what? Thanks person who carried this guy and/or sold them wins!

You wouldn't even know someone was doing incredibly sub par dps without something to tell you so. You'd just assume ALL the dps in the run sucked and just disband, rather than politely replace the one person who is under performing and get in someone who can perform their role at least adequately. I don't think most people are looking for superstars in everything. They just, you know, want at least a CHANCE at winning.

That said, people who are low dps are also usually the people who consistently fail mechanics, so maybe just kick that guy.

[lvlagmarink]

And it's a good way that people dont know the actual number because people will judge blindly.. I've seen tanks who pull lots when healer is a bit overgeared from requirements, i've seen dps pull when tank/healer is a tiny bit overgeared from requirement.. Those enmity bars indicate how much damage hardly.. Now with these actual numbers that you want, you peep will just stir more drama.. And you just claim that of all people who wouldnt want this are simply want to be carried? Arent you starting to judge people yourself? And if you peep even find someone perform bad dps, just how many of you peep would actually give advice to build a better player? All i'm seeing would be.. "You sux... GTFO" *KICKED"