[dev1016] Systhesis Recipe Revisions

[Loony_BoB]

I LIKE: The changes to how materials are coloured/dyed, and how they have dramatically simplified the process. Colouring should not be that much of a pain, particularly on inventory space.

I LIKE: The removal of hempen backs, hempen fronts, etc. from recipes. I could understand it for making a shaft using carpenter and making a pickaxe head using blacksmith. But if all the items (arms, back, front) are made using the same class, why not just set it like you do with Dream Tunics and just say "Hempen Shirt Materials"?

I DISLIKE: The insanely low number of items that are now required to do something like a Hempen Double Vest (why not make it that you need three bolts of hempen cloth? One is a bit unrealistic.

I DISLIKE: The removal of requirements for facilities and/or training. I hope the new purposes for these things come in sooner rather than later as they felt like little achievements you earned that gave instant benefits, something there is very little of at the moment for crafters.

I DISLIKE: The removal of secondary skill requirements. I see they are looking to add new benefits of leveling multiple classes, so that's good.

[AlexNiculaie]

These sir, are opinions, I believe. In your opinion, what are "most players who craft"? Perhaps you feel they are players like you, who appear to have focussed on the combat classes, only taking crafting classes to rank 10? Perhaps players that are primarily combat-oriented, and just want to craft in order to make gear for themselves?

So you think countering opinions with assumptions is a good argument? The majority of players period are casual, not hardcore elitists. I actually have several crafts over 10, thank you. I would do more, but I like to do everything, not just one activity. Also, everyone I know in game synths and does combat. Because we like to do multiple things, not ocd over one thing. My experiences in making stuff have been for fellow LS members who have asked if I had the skills to make an item for them since they couldn't find any in the MW. Having 7 of 8 parts, and not being able to find or make the one part is irritating, no matter who you are. Hell, I have at least 2 LS mates that are obsessive crafters and even they bitch about the ridiculous material requirements. Good for you that you like unnecessary complexity of rank 5 gear.

Further, none of the classes in this game where meant for elitists, but to be accessible to EVERYONE. Do you get it yet? Not just combat monkeys, not just mass producing OCD crafters, but so that any character could choose to take up a tool and get to it. Simple activities, be it low level leves, or low level synthing should not pander to the hardcore, elitists players. Ever.

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Sorry but I like the new changes to crafting, I loved crafting, but found it was to full of BS half the time.... I mean really 8-10 items to make a level 5 item? really?....... Realism? this is an MMORPG.... realism...ha......

Tanaka got his chance, and failed, the game is a mess, and is being fixed now by Yoshi, this is part of the fixing process, deal with it.

Tanaka spat out tons of stuff that he "wanted" to do, with out even thinking of how they would be done, and that is why well over half the stuff he said "would" be in the game, are not, and I doubt ever will.

[AlexNiculaie]

I think the idea behind the synthing system Tanaka came up with is fine. I enjoy the mini-game aspect, although I think it needs to be fine tuned to feel, iono, I guess faster. It feels like there is too much start and stop to it. If it felt a little more fluid I'd enjoy it more. My only problem with it was the imbalanced recipes.

[KitCat]

So you think countering opinions with assumptions is a good argument? The majority of players period are casual, not hardcore elitists. I actually have several crafts over 10, thank you. I would do more, but I like to do everything, not just one activity. Also, everyone I know in game synths and does combat. Because we like to do multiple things, not ocd over one thing. My experiences in making stuff have been for fellow LS members who have asked if I had the skills to make an item for them since they couldn't find any in the MW. Having 7 of 8 parts, and not being able to find or make the one part is irritating, no matter who you are. Hell, I have at least 2 LS mates that are obsessive crafters and even they bitch about the ridiculous material requirements. Good for you that you like unnecessary complexity of rank 5 gear.

Further, none of the classes in this game where meant for elitists, but to be accessible to EVERYONE. Do you get it yet? Not just combat monkeys, not just mass producing OCD crafters, but so that any character could choose to take up a tool and get to it. Simple activities, be it low level leves, or low level synthing should not pander to the hardcore, elitists players. Ever.

Get off your high horse and quit throwing elitist insults around like a kid having a temper tantrum. Geeze.

[Mikita]

Most players who craft are not those who do or want to spend hours every day making items.

Our LS has a lot of high level crafters. Some of them actually enjoy crafting more than battles.

For example, one of my very good friends will drop out of leveling parties if he gets a /tell asking for an item to be crafted.

I am not that extreme, but I have weaving to R47 and I can tell you that one of my greatest pleasures is being able to present someone with an item that they want.

And part of that joy comes from the process of making the item. I feel that I have actually accomplished something valuable as a crafter.

Square is considering taking much of that satisfaction away from people like me who actually enjoy the intricacies of the current crafting system.

[AlexNiculaie]

Get off your high horse and quit throwing elitist insults around like a kid having a temper tantrum. Geeze.

Says the pot to the kettle? Seriously, people bitch that anyone for making synthing accessible and rational in requirements to the level of item being made are not "synthers, but combat focused" and somehow that isn't elitist? Sorry, I'm not the one arguing that crafting should be a members only club.

[AlexNiculaie]

And part of that joy comes from the process of making the item. I feel that I have actually accomplished something valuable as a crafter.

And the effort put in to it should match the product coming out. How does making a rank 5 item as complicated as a rank 47 honestly make sense? I agree that high level items should be more complicated. Try reading all of my posts, not just cherry picking.

[Akira_Tenshi]

You are playing a video game one called Final FANTASY. It doesn't have to be realistic. There is a little to much realism in this game for my liking.

[Amineri]

Says the pot to the kettle? Seriously, people bitch that anyone for making synthing accessible and rational in requirements to the level of item being made are not "synthers, but combat focused" and somehow that isn't elitist? Sorry, I'm not the one arguing that crafting should be a members only club.

I apologize if I came across as insulting. My frustration apparently leaked out a bit, and it came across as an "elitist" personal attack. Again, I apologize. I don't claim that I am 'better then you' in any sense.

Let me try and re-explain the point that I was trying to make.

I enjoy playing as a crafter. That is, I enjoy the process of making things, understanding a system, putting things together. That this is in virtual world does not diminish this.

Now, since I enjoy crafting, I could well view the combat system as a "tedious waste of time" that I simply have to do in order to get the materials that I need to craft. I could argue that the combat system is "too complex", "irrational", "inaccessible", and demand changes that simplify the combat system in order to suit my purposes. I could then approve when such changes are proposed, even though people that play and enjoy the combat for the sake of fighting stuff dislike them. For example, I could propose that having up to 30 skills on the action bar is too complicated, and ask for it to be reduced to only 4. I could propose that the targetting system is too complex, and that my attack should automatically hit the nearest target. This would fall under the guise of "simplifying" and "streamlining" the combat system, making it more "accessible" to new players.

But I don't do this. I don't do this because I don't feel that my desires as a crafter (or gatherer) should impact on a system that is not intended to be the one that I play for my own enjoyment.