[dev1016] Systhesis Recipe Revisions

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Sorry but I like the new changes to crafting, I loved crafting, but found it was to full of BS half the time.... I mean really 8-10 items to make a level 5 item? really?....... Realism? this is an MMORPG.... realism...ha......

Tanaka got his chance, and failed, the game is a mess, and is being fixed now by Yoshi, this is part of the fixing process, deal with it.

Tanaka spat out tons of stuff that he "wanted" to do, with out even thinking of how they would be done, and that is why well over half the stuff he said "would" be in the game, are not, and I doubt ever will.

[AlexNiculaie]

Get off your high horse and quit throwing elitist insults around like a kid having a temper tantrum. Geeze.

Says the pot to the kettle? Seriously, people bitch that anyone for making synthing accessible and rational in requirements to the level of item being made are not "synthers, but combat focused" and somehow that isn't elitist? Sorry, I'm not the one arguing that crafting should be a members only club.

[Amineri]

Says the pot to the kettle? Seriously, people bitch that anyone for making synthing accessible and rational in requirements to the level of item being made are not "synthers, but combat focused" and somehow that isn't elitist? Sorry, I'm not the one arguing that crafting should be a members only club.

I apologize if I came across as insulting. My frustration apparently leaked out a bit, and it came across as an "elitist" personal attack. Again, I apologize. I don't claim that I am 'better then you' in any sense.

Let me try and re-explain the point that I was trying to make.

I enjoy playing as a crafter. That is, I enjoy the process of making things, understanding a system, putting things together. That this is in virtual world does not diminish this.

Now, since I enjoy crafting, I could well view the combat system as a "tedious waste of time" that I simply have to do in order to get the materials that I need to craft. I could argue that the combat system is "too complex", "irrational", "inaccessible", and demand changes that simplify the combat system in order to suit my purposes. I could then approve when such changes are proposed, even though people that play and enjoy the combat for the sake of fighting stuff dislike them. For example, I could propose that having up to 30 skills on the action bar is too complicated, and ask for it to be reduced to only 4. I could propose that the targetting system is too complex, and that my attack should automatically hit the nearest target. This would fall under the guise of "simplifying" and "streamlining" the combat system, making it more "accessible" to new players.

But I don't do this. I don't do this because I don't feel that my desires as a crafter (or gatherer) should impact on a system that is not intended to be the one that I play for my own enjoyment.

[Lavie]

Sorry but I like the new changes to crafting, I loved crafting, but found it was to full of BS half the time.... I mean really 8-10 items to make a level 5 item? really?....... Realism? this is an MMORPG.... realism...ha......

That does make sense, but for example try to imagine how from one piece of metal you can make *one* small nail.
..about making an arrows they certainly overdone, but you yourselves would like more and more..

[Technolust]

The proposed changes are too drastic, while I am in aggreeance with some of the changes, I think that the system overall is being made to be to easy. Yes I like the fact that they are going to abolish most if not all of the parts, let me tell you why. Yesterday I wanted to make myself brass tassets, because I didn't feel like paying the 100k price tag for the armor.

Brass Tassets are a rank 21 ARM synth which requires:
Brass Plate x3
Brass Buckle x1
Brass Rivets x1
Oxblood-red Buffalo Leather x1

I had to switch to LTW and make the Oxblood-red buffalo leather with 1 Oxblood-Red Dye and 1 Buffalo Hide
I had to switch to GSM to make the 6 copper ore and 2 zinc ore into 24 brass nuggets
Had to take 15 brass nuggets to synth into 3 brass ingots.
I had to switch to ARM and synth 2 brass nuggets into 32 brass rivets.
Had to take 3 brass nuggets and synth into 12 brass squares
Had to take 2 brass squares and 1 brass nugget and synth into 12 Brass Buckles.

Are you still with me?
I then had to synth 3 Brass Plates, 1 Brass Buckle, 1 Brass Rivet and 1 Oxblood-red Buffalo leather into Brass Tassets.

But guess what? I failed because I had a destabilization right after the first standard use.
Then I had a
/wait Durability loss of 1
/wait Durability loss of 2
/wait Durability loss of 3
/wait Durability loss of 4
/wait Durability loss of 5
/wait Durability loss of 6
/wait Durability loss of 7

Then synth stabilized and boom failed.

Do you see what is wrong with this picture? I spent a good hour doing this all to just fail, yet I love to craft I understand sometimes you just fail but come on. You want to fix crafting, don't dumb it down and make it like XI's crafting.

Yes I agree the parts thing has to go, and go quickly.

Do you have to get rid of secondary skill requirements?
Do you have to get rid of synthesis support and the Treatise Requirements?
Do you have to dumb it down so much that a trained monkey can synthesis items in this game?
Yes dying should be easier I agree with that.
Yes I think a lot of the parts can be removed.

If you really want to fix crafting though for a lot of people.
Fix elemental destabilization.
Fix how many times I have to hit wait to get an element to stabilize.
Fix so when I'm rank 40 synthing a rank 2 recipe I shouldn't have any issues with elemental stablization.