o.O Overkill on the crafting Dumb down?

[Nakiamiie]

Way to go SE. You took all the great ideas from the forums, just like we wanted you to. And then you took them to such an extreme that you've turned crafting into a pointless action with no depth.

Abolishment of Parts from Synthesis & Revisions to Materials and Intermediary Materials - We didn't want you to remove them. We wanted you to make them make more sense. We wanted them to be rank appropriate, and maybe remove some the really annoying ones that kept any one from making a rank 14 frying pan. We didn't want this.

Removal of Secondary Skill Requirements - Removed? Maybe what you could have done was made it so they aren't required, but still help out if you have them. Instead of a penalty for NOT having it, how about a bonus FOR having it. Aren't you guys always talking about rewarding players instead of punishing them?

Removal of Crafting Facility and Treatise Requirements - Great. Brilliant. Now I'm just like every other crafter out there even though I took the time to build up marks and buy everything. Why did you even improve local leve marks if you were just going to do this?

Simplified Color Customization - Yes to this! It would be great to finish an item and then dye it. This is what we wanted. We don't need universal dyes though. Once again you removed the annoying part and then went to far and took away ALL the depth.

SE, there was plenty of room for compromise here. The hardcore, dedicated crafters would have been generally happy as clams if you improved the system so it was more accessible to casual players but LEFT the depth to crafting that made it stand out from every other MMO and *** clone out there. What you did was create a crafting system where there is no diversity or reward for being dedicated and hardcore. At this point, would you mind adding batch crafting / mass production? You might as well.

And that's not even getting into the effect this will have on +3 finished items and the ensuing glut of them... When everybody is special, nobody is.

Amen. You nailed it greatly. Hope the devs listen and don't go through with all their changes.

[kwestro]

I hate crafting, but with these changes... I'll be crafting every day

[Grim_Lion]

I just went to go HQ some [item=8070106]Iron Gauntlets[/item] for myself.... Ya, f-that. Would take a whole day just to +1 all the sub-mats to +1 the mats you need to use for the Gauntlets, unless you got them around (I dont myself). Im just on my lunch break right now.

Some simplification might be nice really. Especially down the road when there is more content than I have time for (/knockonwood). Crafting might be too involved for even someone like me who I consider a heavy player (70-80hr/week) if left the same down the road.

Im willing to at least see this out. Im sure there will be more to crafting after r50.

[Geesus]

What I'm saying is that these fixes do not FIX anything. They make leveling crafting harder without actually altering the method by which crafting is performed. Everyone know crafting needs to be fixed, but none of the "fixes" being implemented address the problem they simply dumb down the system and lower SP/hr

So because you can't level as fast really is your only complaint? It's not the fact it can help bring more people into crafting but you won't be able to blow up to 50 in the rest of your craft classes to feel you accomplished something?

Edit: Oh and it only doesn't fix things from your POV. To others who only craft here and there or don't like to craft, the changes are huge for them. You know, the rest of the population and in most cases, the lack there of.

[Aeyis]

Is that the guild support thing? I believe I heard they want to change it so that it grants bonus levels while under support instead, like how FFXI did it if you're familiar with it.

Say what?

I don't think this is overkill on simplified crafting. We actually need this change.
Your reward is being able to make things that someone who didn't bother to level the craft can't.

Since your not familiar with crafting, ill enlighten you;
treatises are the training skills bought via the guild mark vendor npcs.

[Alkoun]

I welcome the changes. Get rid of parts. I stopped crafting BECAUSE all I did was make parts which NEVER sold and I had no personal use for. I started crafting because I wanted to be able to make myself gear as I leveled up. That just wasn't possible with the current system. I had/have no desire to spend my short play time grinding parts I'd never use and end up vendoring.

[tymora]

Get rid of parts. I stopped crafting BECAUSE all I did was make parts which NEVER sold and I had no personal use for..

Now it will all be replaced with making equipment which NEVER sells and DOESN'T EVEN STACK.
This is an overkill nerf of crafting.

[Aeyis]

So because you can't level as fast really is your only complaint? It's not the fact it can help bring more people into crafting but you won't be able to blow up to 50 in the rest of your craft classes to feel you accomplished something?

Edit: Oh and it only doesn't fix things from your POV. To others who only craft here and there or don't like to craft, the changes are huge for them. You know, the rest of the population and in most cases, the lack there of.

Others that dont like to craft or only craft here are there are equal to those people who dont level say the marauder class, or only have it at rank 10.

Crafters in this game are classes, which you seem to forget, not job or skills that every class can max within a day.
Those arent quite so much the majority as you seem to think either.
However in tune with their impatient nature a number of them tend to be very vocal on the forums.

What you are asking for crafter class inflation. But you do not seem to realise this.

[Aeyis]

I am familiar with crafting. What I'm not so familiar with are big words. Maybe if they said the training books or something simpler. Excuse me for mixing them up.

Oh, and I checked your character. Like your crafts are ranked.

Second note: You're or you are. Have a nice day.

After playing other mmos for years i tend to use my lowest rank char as forum avatar just for the lols.
Every once and a while a troll like yourself take the bait.~

Making comments on language was never fun, but then some people seem to care about showing off any perceived skill of theirs.

[syntaxlies]

Now it will all be replaced with making equipment which NEVER sells and DOESN'T EVEN STACK.
This is an overkill nerf of crafting.

i say remove stacking all together it would be more "realistic"

/sarcasm