o.O Overkill on the crafting Dumb down?

[Esk]

>>Edit: Alternative proposal here <<
>> Same Idea new more detailed thread about it <<

Ok I do totally agree crafting and the resources needed was excessive..
Your going seriously to farm imo, the number of stages your removing is massive.

Abolishment of Parts from Synthesis - Very Bad
Revisions to Materials and Intermediary Materials - Good
Removal of Secondary Skill Requirements - Helpful
Removal of Crafting Facility and Treatise Requirements - Good in a way
Simplified Color Customization - Best Part!

The dye change alone would have been almost enough imo.
This would have cut down the number of items possible my a huge amount (what like a 10-15% cut in the total items?)
1 of each item + generic dyes
Vs
Dye for each material + variations on item

But really removal of parts?
That's not simplifying the crafting system, its turning it on its head, and making it just a thing you do as well like every other mmo.
As much as I'm not even a fan of crafting, the system had its merits, I always figured would make parts, leave the final thing to other people.
Now i'll just do it to repair my stuff. woo....

Why not just make more use of the current components as you add new gear,
Have those old low Level items or the low demand items as a part of the newer gear that will come in.
(a R50 spear head + 3 R5 spear sharts + R20 Butt + Glue + bolts = sparkly new heavy lance)

[Sasagawa]

I am actually in favor of this change, I dont think it simplifies too much however we have to remember that the materia crafting is coming in soon and things would most likely get way too complicated on top of the current system.

The way I read this was streamlining the current system to make core items easier to sell.

[nORbDragon]

Abolishment of Parts from Synthesis - Very Bad
Revisions to Materials and Intermediary Materials - Very Bad
Removal of Secondary Skill Requirements - Very Bad
Removal of Crafting Facility and Treatise Requirements - Very Bad
Simplified Color Customization - Not Bad

next -1 feature for this game

ps: sometimes i thinks i hate Yoshi...

[MariyaShidou]

Overkill IMO, players who like to craft solely, also like it a bit complicated then just Iron + Iron = Excalibur!

Abolishment of Parts from Synthesis - Doomed
Revisions to Materials and Intermediary Materials - Some Bad
Removal of Secondary Skill Requirements - Neutral
Removal of Crafting Facility and Treatise Requirements - Neutral
Simplified Color Customization - Good

[Keith_Dragoon]

Overkill IMO, players who like to craft solely, also like it a bit complicated then just Iron + Iron = Excalibur!

That made me lol pretty good!

On a more serious note I am on the fence with this one, never had a serious issue popping out parts but the parts required from higher levels of other crafts earlier on in the game did suck. Now its not too hard to aquire said parts from other players or pop them out urself.

[Blue79]

Overkill IMO, players who like to craft solely, also like it a bit complicated then just Iron + Iron = Excalibur!

Abolishment of Parts from Synthesis - Doomed
Revisions to Materials and Intermediary Materials - Some Bad
Removal of Secondary Skill Requirements - Neutral
Removal of Crafting Facility and Treatise Requirements - Neutral
Simplified Color Customization - Good

Completely agree, for people who love crafting this is overkill!
They could've solved the problem by simply giving us bags and or a bank/mog house storage. It's not a problem having parts in the game so long as they don't take up 80% of your inventory (inc retainers). I don't even mind a dozen dyes and enamels so long as i can toss them all in a bag and only use up 1 space... but of course, SE can always be counted on to look at a simple solution and ignore it

[MariyaShidou]

Completely agree, for people who love crafting this is overkill!
They could've solved the problem by simply giving us bags and or a bank/mog house storage. It's not a problem having parts in the game so long as they don't take up 80% of your inventory (inc retainers). I don't even mind a dozen dyes and enamels so long as i can toss them all in a bag and only use up 1 space... but of course, SE can always be counted on to look at a simple solution and ignore it

A perfect inv/retainer inv solution would be divided into several category tabs:
80-100 Weapon slots, 80-100 Armours/Clothes slots, 80-100 Accessories slots (or merge with Armour category), 80-100 Ammo/Throwing slots (or have them merged with Weapons category),80-100 Consumable slots and 80-100 Material/Misc Slots. Faster to find anything and make more sense for people who like to play multi-class anywhere anytime, which is the game main sales point yes?

[Esk]

@ Sasagawa
I never thought it was complicated in the slightest,
The only times id get meh about it was when i needed a R30 BSM item for a R5 Carp tool.
Or if I needed a dye'd version of some leather.

I still think the main issue with it is not having a good in game crafter's book/menu.

Edit
As for Yoshi nORbDragon
Most the stuff were getting is great, and i love his attiude, I think he was a great asset to the game.
But when it comes to changing some of the old systems, I feel like he thinks were 5yo and its all to complex or something.
Few of the problems were ever the depth of the content, that was the redeeming point.
The problem was the way we had to use those features being badly implemented.

[MariyaShidou]

I never thought it was complicated in the slightest,
The only times id get meh about it was when i needed a R30 BSM item for a R5 Carp tool.
Or if I needed a dye'd version of some leather.

I still think the main issue with it is not having a good in game crafter's book/menu.

It's complicated because you need to make part, like real life. You don't put two iron ingots together and an Excalibur is made. It's the sole reason why I like to craft in this game, whereas I largely ignore them in other games.

[ViolentDjango]

It's complicated because you need to make part, like real life. You don't put two iron ingots together and an Excalibur is made. It's the sole reason why I like to craft in this game, whereas I largely ignore them in other games.

The problem with this is that it you need multiple craft skills in the real world to be able to make those parts. Someone who can smith a sword probably knows any number of other talents that allow him to be able to achieve quality work on his own.

In game, they are moving towards limiting how much one person can do (much to my chagrin), and as such they have to move the crafting system away from concepts that over complicate the process and suggest that you should max out every class.

The only other option is for people to buy those extra parts, and that just makes the gear itself that much more expensive. When you have to pay 5k for a buckle, 10k for a strap of leather you can't make, and it costs you 30k worth of materials to make the "parts" of the gear you're about to put together (which, in the case of say, a doubet, meant making the back, the front, the sleeves, etc), then additional materials to synth it all together, your end cost for gear skyrockets.

Worse over, the levels required for certain parts for lower level gear were stupidly high. I remember early on your needed iron buckles for a piece of rank 10 or 11 gear, and the buckle required rank 25+ or something to make.

That's just asinine.

Its better for them to remove the superfluous parts and add in the materia system to allow us to expand our crafting options. Frankly, I'd love if Materia worked the way it did in FFVII, allowing us to add stats and abilities to items at will, but I have my doubts about that.

And the end of the day: THIS ISN'T REAL LIFE. If you want to invest time and effort into doing something with real world value to make yourself feel good... go out and actually learn how to craft a sword or make a shirt... or learn to play guitar, or something.

Most of the stuff in the game up until now has been overly complicated ,and its going to keep getting "dumbed down" because that's what's going to make the re-launch of the game work. Its fine if you don't like it, but its what's going to work. Obviously with how bad the original launch was, it doesn't matter what the current community has to say about it, because it is SIGNIFICANTLY smaller than the one they are trying to attract.