o.O Overkill on the crafting Dumb down?

[DoubleEcho]

Iron for starters? Silver, copper, tin, zinc, cedar, oak, pine, mahogany, maple, willow, walnut, yew, chestnut, need I go on? Just have a look in the masons and woodworker wards for any I missed.

So no one is going to make iron squares, silver squares? Copper, tin and zinc are all used for BSM, ARM and Goldsmith grinding synths. All of those woods are used to make lumber to grind Carpenter. You seriously think that's going away? You're making this out to be way more than it is.

[KitCat]

All they needed to do was fix the level requirement on parts and make it easier to dye cloth heh. New craft system will be retard proof, nonsensical from an material position and boast no compulsion to cooperate with any of the other crafts :/

Oh well. I won't pass judgement till we see how it pans out but I think this is just going to trivialize it.

[DNO]

no matter how they improve the game people are gonna complain.... lol anyway everything yoshi has done so far was light years ahead of what was already in the game so im completely down for the change.

[Sorel]

Cloth and Yarn are droppable items. They drop from ghosts. Given the every-increasing drive toward HQ items, and the fact that the easiest way to get +3 cloth and yarn is from a drop, the first two items in this example recipe will having nothing to do with crafting or gathering. Copper nuggets also drops from monsters (coblyns). Sheep leather does not drop from enemies, but buffalo leather (the most commonly used version) does.

Suddenly this synthesis looks like the following:
New Recipe (Hempen Doublet Vest)

• Undyed Hempen Cloth (Get +3 drop from ghost)
• Hempen Yarn (Get +3 drop from ghost)
• Sheep Leather (Leatherworker-made Item [for buffalo leather, get +3 drop from bandit humanoids])
• Copper Ingot (Armorsmith/Blacksmith/Goldsmith-made Item)

  • Copper Nugget (Get +3 drop from coblyn)

Given just the list above, you can see that there is pretty much no need for gathering. Cloth / yarn from drops. Sheepskin from drops. Copper nuggets from drops (or just purchase from NPC). Do you see where this is heading?

I see what you are saying. But those factors that you mentioned are external to the crafting system, and the crafting system ... particularly recipes ... are what we are talking about. If we were to factor in future external sources, then we'd also have to take into account that Hempen Doublet Vests can be bought outright, just like every part and ingredient in the game.

My analyses was of the recipes themselves. The new one is streamlined, and yes "simplified", but the recipe itself does still require multiple synths and items from multiple crafts.

Whether a player buys the ingredients, farms the ingredients, gets the ingredients from his LS, or gets the ingredients from a local levequest, is an external factor to the complexity of crafting the final product. It has very little to do with the recipe itself.

Right now, a Weaver can buy all the ingredients to craft a Hempen Doublet Vest in 1 synth, skipping the sub-synthing altogether. I could use that in an argument to say that buying parts is "dumbing down" crafting. But I don't because the buying is an external factor outside the recipe itself. But that means the same goes for gathering and monster drops that you mentioned. They're both irrelevant to the point, which is the recipe itself.

[Picoman]

I don't know how to feel on this one, think I'm gonna wait and see.

Would be nice if this was simplified a little bit, i spent 9 weeks farming every mat from scratch and levelling every required Class to manage the synth (except a few parts):

Red Coral - 1

Green Megalocrab Shell - 1


Iron Spikes Iron Spikes 1


Iron Nugget 2

Iron Sand 6
River Crab - 6
Fire Crystal - 1
Wind Shard - 9
Fire Shard - 4


Oak Composite Bow Oak Composite Bow 1


Iron Bow Nock Iron Bow Nock 1

Antelope Sinew Bowstring Antelope Sinew Bowstring 1
Beeswax - 1
Antelope Sinew - 3
Lightning Shard - 6
Wind Shard - 3


Buffalo Leather Strap Buffalo Leather Strap 1
Buffalo Leather - 1
Wind Shard - 8


Bronze Wire Bronze Wire 1
Bronze Ingot - 2
Wind Shard - 3
Fire Shard - 6


Iron Ingot 1
Iron Nugget - 5
Fire Crystal - 1


Bronze Nugget Bronze Nugget 1
Copper Ore - 3
Tin Ore - 1
Fire Shard - 12
Fire Crystal - 1
Wind Shard - 11


Aldgoat Horn Bow Grip Aldgoat Horn Bow Grip 1

Wing Glue 1
Ahriman Wing - 2
Muddy Water - 1
Water Shard - 6
Fire Shard - 6


Buffalo Leather Strap Buffalo Leather Strap 1
Buffalo Leather - 1
Wind Shard - 8


Soot-black Buffalo Leather Soot-black Buffalo Leather 1
Soot-black Buffalo Leather Dye - 1
Walnut Chips - 1
Buffalo Hide - 1
Water Shard - 3
Ice Shard - 8


Aldgoat Horn - 2

Wind Crystal - 1

Earth Shard - 12


Scale Glue 1
Muddy Water - 1
Marmot Pelt - 1
Biast Scales - 1
Water Shard - 8
Fire Shard - 8


Oak Lumber Oak Lumber 2
Oak Log - 1
Wind Shard - 9
Hippogryph Sinew - 1

Add in the need for +1, +2 or +3 materials then that becomes a crazy list.

But i am a fan of the realism so I vote to have BOTH systems! YAY!...

[Kailea_Nagisa]

Not complicated or bothersome? Really? good lord some of the beginning gear in the game required so much BS to get made, it was ridiculous -.-

[MariyaShidou]

This is starting to become NGE all over again. I wonder if a few years from now Bioware will be outsourced to make FFXVIII and FFXIV will be closed down like SWG...

Let's see, the Elezen will be as thin as paper, with big frog eyes and pale skin, just like Elves from DA2. Roegadyn will start growing sheep horns, Lalafell will be all bearded Dwarves and Miqo'te become extinct because Bioware can't draw catgirls.

[DNO]

As I already said: the current changes will piss off many of the old players who were fine with crafting endless hours watching netflix.

Potential newcomers, however, were severely discouraged by this overly complicated system.
Even if a few old players leave, it doesn't matter.
Besides, we all know they won't leave anyway. No matter what they claim.


Only ten-fold? I thought it was thousand-fold. Or million-fold. And tomorrow, the world will end.

i agree. none of you are leaving. all these guys do is complain before we even see what the system effect will be.

[DexterityJones]

I think if they just addressed the issue of needing a part that was 20 levels above the level of the item you were trying to synth, cut out a few parts (which they've done) so you don't need to make 45 different synths before you could make the item you wanted and everything would of been fine.

I'm a crafter, always have been and like everyone here who crafts we can all agree that the system was flawed.

Yet most dedicated crafters enjoyed the complexity of the craft (I for one however do not believe high level parts and multiple synths before being able to do the main synth as complex, just tedious), even though there is the removal of parts, you still need to make some synths to be able to make the main item, just not as many!. So the reduction is wise.

Be that as it may, this is what is happening. I just don't really get where the heavy handedness is coming from in the

Removal of Crafting Facility and Treatise Requirements
As with secondary class skills, crafting facilities and treatises are virtually essential for current recipes. New recipes, however, will require neither at this point in time.

* Alternate uses are being considered for crafting facilities and treatises.

Why remove the crafting facilities? and bought skill books?

Access to the facilities allowed you to feel like a part of the guild, to see familiar faces and work away at the location, and get to know your fellow crafter, plus the boost is nice when you're on the cusp of a synth and afraid you might break it!
(With the introduction of airships and chocobos, the arguement that awwww I have to travel all the back to Gridanna to go to the leatherworkers guild, is now a moot point especially since these changes are coming at the same time as transportation)

Why the removal of skill books? DoW and DoM have their skill books, it allows you to work towards something and feel an acomplishment besides just ranking up; when that PITA recipe is now a breeze because you've studied up and learned how to cobble shoes better. It's no different than having to get your PUG or GLD marks to gain additional skills so you can be better at these respective classes.

Removal of Secondary Skill Requirements
Many of the current recipes have a secondary class requirement, forcing players to develop skills in multiple crafting disciplines. New recipes, however, will not require secondary skills at this point in time.

* In the future, it will be made so that players benefit from developing skills in multiple disciplines.

Why this? most DoW and DoM have to level multiple (some argue that DoW have to level ALL jobs) to become better at what they do, why should and how is it, any different for DoH? once again it provides a sense of accomplishment,that all that time the DoM/DoW spent raiding for gear to get better, is the same as all the time you've put into crafting alternate crafts so you could be better too.


Some of these changes make sense to me, (As stated) some, such as armour colour very welcomed (if done smartly so our alchemist buddies are needed too!), and I think overall the changes to the actual mechanics of the recipe making is fine, its just the quoted points I dont understand.

where Did SE think this was a good idea? It's almost as if they were listening to Joe blow FFXIV player who was pissed he can't do everything and needed to work at crafting just like he needs to work at raising ranks for DoW and DoM.

[MariyaShidou]

i agree. none of you are leaving. all these guys do is complain before we even see what the system effect will be.

Pretty sure SWG players were also saying the same thing before NGE hit them.