Thread: The 2.5 (Part 1 & 2) speculation thread

Originally Posted by jomoru

Ishgard has no towns that are not military bases. Breath weapons on fotresses aren't exactly easy targets. I'm not going to start pinning war crimes on either side til I see it in character.

Wrong.

Just go do the DRG quests (or look them up). The DRG antagonist was the sole survivor of Nidhogg's rampage around his hometown (however, remember there was a bit more to it than just that, esp after the previous Azure Dragon's confession)

Originally Posted by PArcher

Wrong.

Just go do the DRG quests (or look them up). The DRG antagonist was the sole survivor of Nidhogg's rampage around his hometown (however, remember there was a bit more to it than just that, esp after the previous Azure Dragon's confession)

And we have seen no towns in game controlled by Ishgard that don't double as military targets. I'm not saying dragons are perfect moral warriors following all the rules of modern warfare, though I am saying we only get the perspective of the Ishgardians who have reason to say "This fortress filled with Dragon killing weapons is perfectly innocent and any attack on it is unjustified!"

Originally Posted by jomoru

And we have seen no towns in game controlled by Ishgard that don't double as military targets. I'm not saying dragons are perfect moral warriors following all the rules of modern warfare, though I am saying we only get the perspective of the Ishgardians who have reason to say "This fortress filled with Dragon killing weapons is perfectly innocent and any attack on it is unjustified!"

We have hardly seen much of Ishgard proper and you have to remember those bunkers on the route between the Observatory and Camp Dragonhead are specifically to house peasants during dragon attacks to keep them from being easy pray. If they are military structures then they exist solely to keep the dragons from slaughtering the non military targets.

I'm not say either side is in the right. I suspect both sides have long since been fighting a brutal and ruthless war. I don't however think the Dragons are simply misunderstood. I think there is a lot more to the war than has been presented for either side and the final quest in the DRG story only strengthens my suspicions of that, not just because of the story of the village but the actual conclusion and battle and how it ends.

Originally Posted by Belhi

We have hardly seen much of Ishgard proper and you have to remember those bunkers on the route between the Observatory and Camp Dragonhead are specifically to house peasants during dragon attacks to keep them from being easy pray. If they are military structures then they exist solely to keep the dragons from slaughtering the non military targets.

I'm not say either side is in the right. I suspect both sides have long since been fighting a brutal and ruthless war. I don't however think the Dragons are simply misunderstood. I think there is a lot more to the war than has been presented for either side and the final quest in the DRG story only strengthens my suspicions of that, not just because of the story of the village but the actual conclusion and battle and how it ends.

I am not saying dragons are pure moral warriors vs the Evil blacker than black ishgard. I am saying any statement from Ishgard about Dragon atrocities are distinctly suspect. I mean who knows HOW long the Ascians have been directing the war? They could have started it for all we know. There is a distinct impression I get from the setup that early Ishgard was probably founded with the AID of the dragons and that's why Shiva was a Saint then. Even the Dragoon ending talks about returning things to the way they were.

Originally Posted by jomoru

There is a distinct impression I get from the setup that early Ishgard was probably founded with the AID of the dragons and that's why Shiva was a Saint then. Even the Dragoon ending talks about returning things to the way they were.

That seems unlikely the story of the creation of Ishgard don't seem to be a lie, Ishgard already looks like to be the bad guys in their own story. The dragons wanting to the returns things to the way they were means to kick the Ishgardians out of Coerthas.

These are the translated Heavensward Trailer lyrics

Beneath the gazing stars...
Vales deep and forest dark...
Betrayed by loyal hands,
our wrath stir.
Bound fast unto our fate...
One path, one burden great...
Yet ever do our aching souls point Heavensward!
And ever rings out our song...

Dragon part (Dragon / English)
Dis an sô / Our slumber disturbed
Rus at hi / My brothers wake
Sal'jas afarr'a / Vengeance will be ours
Ma mor nâ, Eorzea! / The saviors must perish!

I always thought that the early Ishgardians had a deal/ "covenant" with the Dravanian Dragons in some way that was broken by the Ishagardians 1000 years ago. Wasn't it said that Coerthas was originally Dravanian territory?

Eitherway, the Dravanian Wyrmmking called out and it seems to be a VERY big deal to the point that even Midgardsomnr was (originally) compelled to join in.

Originally Posted by treuhavik

I'm not validating the above statement, but if true, would that make them any better than the Ascians?

The Ascians just want to make things as they were before (whatever that truly means), which would kick humanity out of existance, presumably. And, Just like Ishgard, the people of Hydaelyn want to keep living and doing as they please. All sides want what they want and are willing to do whatever necessary for it. Does this make any one's cause more just than anothers?

Maybe... Please look forward to it!

Well that depends on what happened to Zodiark and the Ascian we miss a lot of informations here, the dragons have been invaded by the Ishgardians and try to take back the Coerthas for 1000 years. At the beginning of the war they were in their right, now it's just a pointless bloodbath.

Originally Posted by myahele

I always thought that the early Ishgardians had a deal/ "covenant" with the Dravanian Dragons in some way that was broken by the Ishagardians 1000 years ago. Wasn't it said that Coerthas was originally Dravanian territory?

The elezen "presence predating that of the other races". While not stated, it is implied the dravanians are originally from Meracydia and settled due to the Allag.
The Dravanian claim over Coerthas is pretty shakey at best.