Thread: The 2.5 (Part 1 & 2) speculation thread

bah, why are we defending ishgard

Originally Posted by aisustrong

bah, why are we defending ishgard

Because we're "heroes", and as far as we and the Scions know, the 'dragons' are the bad guys. The only other exception is Midgardsomnr, and he's essentially an imaginary friend that only we can see.

Originally Posted by aisustrong

bah, why are we defending ishgard

Eorzea badly need's Ishgard's power to join with it against the empire and considering how uncaring whom the horde attacks its unlikely they would even stop with just Ishgards fall (they already attack anyone regardless anyway...) If Ishgard goes down, she would probably take with her the rest of Eorzea.

Originally Posted by Celvantis

Eorzea badly need's Ishgard's power to join with it against the empire and considering how uncaring whom the horde attacks its unlikely they would even stop with just Ishgards fall (they already attack anyone regardless anyway...) If Ishgard goes down, she would probably take with her the rest of Eorzea.

That and from a heroic standpoint the dragons have never shown discrimination in their war towards innocents. While the Dragons might not be the 'bad guys' of the war, they are just as guilty of wanton slaughter. If we question why we protect Ishgard, the same can be asked about Limsa who are guilty of starting the war with the Kobalds.

Originally Posted by Belhi

That and from a heroic standpoint the dragons have never shown discrimination in their war towards innocents. While the Dragons might not be the 'bad guys' of the war, they are just as guilty of wanton slaughter. If we question why we protect Ishgard, the same can be asked about Limsa who are guilty of starting the war with the Kobalds.

Well, perhaps it's just a sign of the alien nature of the FFXIV dragons. They're essentially a hive mind, if I recall. I doubt they have a notion of 'innocent'.

Originally Posted by Belhi

That and from a heroic standpoint the dragons have never shown discrimination in their war towards innocents. While the Dragons might not be the 'bad guys' of the war, they are just as guilty of wanton slaughter. If we question why we protect Ishgard, the same can be asked about Limsa who are guilty of starting the war with the Kobalds.

Which we do. Y'shtola right out says the actual right thing to do would be to let Titan stomp Limsa into the sea.

I also kinda doubt the Ishgardians are selective about the dragons they themselves kill, like hatchlings or unhatched eggs. Mind you, that doesn't excuse the dragons for doing the same, but I suspect that will be one of the points to be adressed in Heavensward. At least I hope so.

Originally Posted by LaurelinKementari

Which we do. Y'shtola right out says the actual right thing to do would be to let Titan stomp Limsa into the sea.

I also kinda doubt the Ishgardians are selective about the dragons they themselves kill, like hatchlings or unhatched eggs. Mind you, that doesn't excuse the dragons for doing the same, but I suspect that will be one of the points to be adressed in Heavensward. At least I hope so.

Me too. I'm hoping our role won't be as simple as taking sides and be more about stopping the war. The story has indicated we need the full Eorzean alliance to stop what is likely coming from Garlemald next, particularly since it's the emperor now who is driving the likelihood of invasion, and that means we need an intact Ishgard in place. More over, it seems very likely that the whole war is being encouraged by the Ascians. Hell, they may have even been involved in starting it in the first place. I wouldn't be surprised to see them on both sides.

Originally Posted by Belhi

That and from a heroic standpoint the dragons have never shown discrimination in their war towards innocents. While the Dragons might not be the 'bad guys' of the war, they are just as guilty of wanton slaughter. If we question why we protect Ishgard, the same can be asked about Limsa who are guilty of starting the war with the Kobalds.

Ishgard doesn't exactly easily filter out its civilians vs Military targets so claiming that the dragons are attacking innocents wantonly is debateable.

Originally Posted by jomoru

Ishgard doesn't exactly easily filter out its civilians vs Military targets so claiming that the dragons are attacking innocents wantonly is debateable.

They massacred an entire town down to literally the last person.

Originally Posted by Intaki

They massacred an entire town down to literally the last person.

Ishgard has no towns that are not military bases. Breath weapons on fotresses aren't exactly easy targets. I'm not going to start pinning war crimes on either side til I see it in character.