Thread: The 2.5 (Part 1 & 2) speculation thread

So I had a thought about the mystery trial in another thread, more appropriate to ask here though;

Was the Primal that revealed itself at the end of 2.0 ever actually revealed? I do recall mention that it "generated a distinctive wave pattern in the aether", which had only ever been observed five years ago as Bahamut showed up, and it certainly did seem like foreshadowing for the Binding Coil of Bahamut, but right after the roar a guard comes running and says;

Dread tidings! Chaos and carnage...
It is an abomination-! A... Primal! A primal has awakened.

It does sound an awful lot like this guy saw the Primal... So... He got the world first clearing Binding Coil? He didn't recognize Bahamut as Bahamut? Seems odd to me and suggests a different Primal... One which is an abomination... Heck, the fact that he refers to it as an abomination at the very least suggests he saw it... If he simply heard the roar and had a PTSD flash back to Carteneau and started ranting that Bahamut was back, I could understand it, but instead he simply makes mention of a Primal, suggesting a Primal we've yet to encounter. Heck, what chaos and carnage? Bahamut didn't cause any problems outside Coil... I really get the feeling this was a new Primal that was swiftly forgotten about...

Now, right after that cutscene follows Lahabrea introducing us to a whole cast of Ascians;

Pashtarot>> Bahamut stirs.

OK, so the roar was Bahamut and it was a simply allusion to the Binding Coil? Still doesn't explain the guard... Perhaps it's a localization issue and this makes more sense in other languages...

Igeyorhm>> As will the others ere long.

The "others"? Other Elder Primals? What if instead it was the roar of another Elder Primal? That could explain similar reading to Carteneau, the Scions have only ever observed one Elder Primal in Bahamut, so the assumption is that the same wave pattern means it's the same Primal, but if all Elder Primals have the same wave pattern, it could be any Elder Primal. She could just have been referring to the other Primals of course, 2.1 through to 2.4 introduced "new" Primals.

Still, what Elder Primals do we have then? Bahamut and Odin, and Belias is mentioned. Interestingly the location of the roar appeared to be coming from Singing Shards (which could also indicate Bahamut, since a piece of Dalamud is right there), where the Summoner questline introduces us to Belias-Egi. Coincidence? Belias himself also gives us an idea of who the other Elder Primals could be. Can you think of one of the Espers/Scions of Darkness from Final Fantasy XII whom you'd describe as an "abomination"? Three words - Cúchulainn the Impure. Want more? Which new Ascians were we introduced to in 2.1? Elidibus in white, and another Ascian who seemed a bit annoyed as Elidibus - Nabriales. Why is that name familiar? Oh right, Nabriales the Majestic, Scion of Light in opposition to Cúchulainn the Impure. Hmm... I wonder if the two could be in anyway related in this game...

How does this relate to 2.5? Well, assuming the roar wasn't Bahamut and the guard really saw a new Primal, the mystery of who that Primal is should be resolved with the conclusion of 2.0, no? If it's Cúchulainn (or any XII Esper for that matter), then we have a connection to an Ascian, and we know the trial in some way relates to the Ascians. A fight with an Ascian seems like a dull note to end on (if you consider part 1 the end and part 2 the start of 3.0), but our first real Elder Primal? That is how you end a chapter. Perhaps the guard was just a troll though, and the ending to 2.0 was just setting up for the Binding Coil of Bahamut and our mystery trial wont be an epic encounter and just another face roll fight listening to an idiot go "Mwhahaha! Begon! Hydaelyn cannot save you! Mwhahahaha!"...

Hmmm, looking at early Coil dialog, it does seem like the roar is Bahamuts. That really begs the question what the guard was talking about then... Poor localization? Always the possibility that he saw the chaos and carnage of a new Primal, but Bahamut yawning distracted everyone. I'd be interested in knowing what the other languages have him saying.

I'm going to wait until after 2.5 to flesh out some of the bigger ideas, but the Ascians always spoke of you as the Warrior of Light or Hydaelyn's champion, whereas Elidibus mentions needing to nurture the "strength of the gifted," as in other Echo uses. I can't entirely let go of the feeling that while we're sitting here acting like Iceheart is enlightened, she may have been a pawn, herself. Before Shiva returned, Lahabrea did say that they needed to "lead men to the field" to give rise to a new deity. There may be plenty of dark secrets to reveal on the Dravanian front, but it doesn't mean Iceheart isn't basically furthering the Ascian cause by accident. Until I know for sure which way that goes, I hesitate to speculate on the things it would impact. I mean, it could get pretty crazy depending on which way that pendulum swings.

A rather nutty example of how weird things could get - the designs on the front of the Ascian robes look like dragon heads in a that cloud looks like a rabbit kind of way, and they worship a tailed, winged god associated with the Serpentarius constellation. For all we know the Ascians are dragons, too. Rather, immortal spirits of them.

So, if Midgardsormr sired seven children... Fafnir, Nidhogg, Tiamat, Ouryu, Vrtra, Bahamut, Shinryu?

Also, do we think there's a mommy (Wyrm Queen) in the picture, or did he(it) lay all those fertilized eggs himself? If the former, perhaps she's Jormungand(r/i) since they're the same entity in myth... Or could it be a variation of Kur, the "first dragon"? There are a TON of possibilities here.


Another interesting tidbit; it's said that Omega is typically a weapon meant for Shinryu, but in XIV: ARR, it's purpose was to destroy Bahamut.

EDIT: I somehow missed the completely obvious thread pertaining to this exact subject...

Originally Posted by treuhavik

So, if Midgardsormr sired seven children... Fafnir, Nidhogg, Tiamat, Ouryu, Vrtra, Bahamut, Shinryu?

Another interesting tidbit; it's said that Omega is typically a weapon meant for Shinryu, but in XIV: ARR, it's purpose was to destroy Bahamut.

What if, much like Ultima Weapon, Omega weapon isn't really an Allagan creation? Lahabrea claimed even the Allag didn't scratch the surface of Ultima Weapons core (he Heart of Sabik?), what if the same is true of Omega? Given it is said to be more poweful than Ultima that much should be certain really... At its core, Omega predates Allag and its original purpose was not to subdue just Bahamut, but all of Midgardsormrs children?

I find it unlikely Shinryu is Midgardsormrs child though, given his typical power. Much more likely if (when) Shinryu makes an appearance it will be similar to his XI appearance where he was effectively a chimera of Bahamut, Promathia and Selh'teus (if memory serves). I could see Zodiark and Bahamut doing the Fusion Dance to get back at us.

Originally Posted by Chewy2nd

Become quite obvious who the mount shown off at the fanfest is!
http://goingsony.com/system/file_upl...GN_-_Imgur.jpg

You trying to say that's teenage Midgarsormr?

Originally Posted by Dervy

Indeed! Just look at how rebellious he looks. And if you look close enough, you might see all of the acne scars on his face.

The second we got that little baby dragon, I instantly knew that he'll be our pet Dragon in the expansion.

Ha! You're just excited that you Dragoons finally have your pet back.