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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    I suspect a bargain was struck transferring guard duties to Mid. Especially with the line about "The covenant binds me to thee."
    I wonder if you're correct about this another way, as well. Minfilia hints that Midgardsormr was not the protector of Silvertear Falls at the behest of Althyk and Nymeia (deities of water and earth / time and fate), but at the behest of Hydaelyn herself (though, technically the same if Water and Earth are facets of the "white light" of the Crystal). If this is the case, and it's also the case that we as Hydaelyn's champions safeguard the aetherial powers of Eorzea (which once converged at Silvertear Falls), Midgardsormr is obligated by his original covenant to protect us. It's just the part about removing the blessing of light that I find confusing. You may be right about Midge taking off the training wheels, so to speak. If Hydealyn is as weak as it's claimed, we're going to need to stand on our own to see her rise again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    So, who paid the price to spare us?
    I was under the impression that Midgardsormr was just musing
    on the fact that Moenbryda sacrificed herself (death) to defeat Nabriales, thus protecting the others (lives) from (A) how pissed he was going to be after breaking free of the auracite, and (B) whatever impatient, indelicate schemes he was about to pull to become Zodiark's right hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    If this is the case, and it's also the case that we as Hydaelyn's champions safeguard the aetherial powers of Eorzea (which once converged at Silvertear Falls), Midgardsormr is obligated by his original covenant to protect us. It's just the part about removing the blessing of light that I find confusing. You may be right about Midge taking off the training wheels, so to speak.
    Hmm. . .with Mid's actions at Silvertear 15 years ago, the primals were unleashed into the land. Most of our Crystals of Light came from those selfsame primals. You might very well be right about it being his original covenant that had him strip away the power of the Crystals. But, then, if he's stripped away the aether of the Crystals, it would seem there'd be nothing left that we currently have to interest him. Though, he could also be playing the waiting game. Or, heck, it could be aspects of all of the above.
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    I if they plan on making minfilia into the host of Hydealyn?
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    Maybe losing Hydaelyns blessing was actually a blessing? If that back crystal was actually dark hydaelyn/zodiark....can you imagine what'll happen to that crystal's "chosen"? maybe us being slightly tempered by her isn't too farfetched afterall
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    Quote Originally Posted by myahele View Post
    If that back crystal was actually dark hydaelyn/zodiark....can you imagine what'll happen to that crystal's "chosen"?
    I've always thought the Crystal shown at the end of 2.0 was Hydaelyn. The Ascians purposefully built us up over 2.0s storyline to the point where Lahabrea could throw Ultima at us, several times Ascians showed up and practically went "Nah, we want you to get more powerful with this crystal!", the Lahabrea throws Ultima at us so Hydaelyn has to protect us. Following that he claims her power is spent. Conclusion? Their aim was to weaken Hydaelyn. While the effects were not instantly noticeable (we then defeat Lahabrea), Hydaelyn then basically vanishes at the end after the vision of the Dark Crystal.

    What is the Ascians goal? Summoning Zodiark. What does summoning require? Crystals. What is Hydaelyn?

    I can totally see Midgardsormr taking us under his wing (hehe) instead of Hydaelyn to protect us from whatever is happening to Hydaelyn.

    I'm thinking perhaps Yoshida is continuing the Final Fantasy VII homage, though much more subtly;
    • Aeris, last of the Ancients (strong connection to the planet), helping group fight off an alien thing and its kinda-son, impaled in a structure under a lake, losing the party the White Materia and returning to the Lifestream. Witness the White Materia being corrupted (or bathing in jam, not sure) before the finale.
    • Derplander, chosen of Hydaelyn (basically the planet), helping the Scions fight off the Ascians who may or may not be of this world, impaled in a structure above a lake, loses his connection with Hydaelyn but gets back up. Witness Hydaelyn in purple in a pained vision.
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    It's interesting that both Bahamut and Midgardstromr use the same "spear of light" to temper (or at least in our case, strip the blessing of light).
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    It's interesting that all these powerful beings have covenants/ devine contract with each other. Makes me think that Ishagrdians broke the covenant they had with dravania; whatever that may be.

    Although I kinda have a feeling that maybe dragons and zodiark predates Hydealine or are related somehow. After doing some research Sabik (the core/heart of Ultima) is a star in the Ophiuchus constellation and Ophiuchus is another name for Zodiark. Ultima also looks like a dragon.
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    I find it interesting that he stripped us of the Echo, our blessing from Hydaelyn, only to then state that he's going to then start drinking of her power to build himself a new body, but is then stuck to us due to a covenant we're totally out of the loop on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WyrahFhurrst View Post
    I find it interesting that he stripped us of the Echo, our blessing from Hydaelyn, only to then state that he's going to then start drinking of her power to build himself a new body, but is then stuck to us due to a covenant we're totally out of the loop on.
    He doesn't strip us of the Echo, though. Otherwise we'd be unable to understand the Ascians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    He doesn't strip us of the Echo, though. Otherwise we'd be unable to understand the Ascians.
    It's also interesting that

    after being blessed by Midgardsormr, we can actually sense Ascians before they've revealed themselves. We've previously never been able to do so. I genuinely do believe that Hydaelyn has been weakened so much, that her blessings to us weren't even at their fullest potential.
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