Abuse for being a new player, any solution?

[DoubleD]

If you want efficiency, you go static/pre-formed. If you want to test your luck, then you gamble to join up with total random strnagers in the DF.

I'd say it goes both ways. On low populated servers, it's hard to actually form pre-formed parties for dated content. Even newer content the wait for tanks/scholars to join a pre-formed party on PF takes forever. So experienced players use CF.

Understandably, the new players use CF too. Because even if they try to form a pre-formed learning party, it would take forever to get a group for dated content on a low populated server.

Most people on JP server realize the CF is for everyone. The majority are experienced players expecting to get a kill. Also FC size on JP servers are typically much smaller than NA/EU. I'd say the average FC is probably 15-30 people with only 7~20 active members. So it's difficult to make pre-formed with only your FC members too.

So we go in CF expecting to get a kill. But also realize that there is the possibility of new/inexperienced player in there. So we will help and actually give advice, explain mechanics.

Most of the EX-Primals in CF are completely doable with only 1~2 DPS and 1 healer and 1 tank (geared/competent). So even if there is new player, its usually beatable. In the case it isn't, we just initiate give up vote and move on without bashing the player(s) that's causing the wipe.

had 5 wipes in Haukke Manor the other night, and even got a time running out warning. That is a group of new players that would have had their first run ruined if we just gave up on them.

I think the dungeons is a totally different story. Unless the healer absolutely cannot cast heal for some reason, every dungeon is beatable and has mechanics that can easily be explained.

DPS classes are forced to endure in the DF, a separate topic but one that complicates the idea of just killing a party and cheating those guys of 2 hours of their lives, just because of 15 minutes of yours.

I totally understand. But I don't like to put it this way, but the experienced players have already "paid their dues." We spent hours and days trying to beat these EX-Primals / Coils when they first came out, and were vastly, vastly "undergeared" compared to how geared the majority of the player base is now, and would often wipe on the DPS checks. But fought for those clears with long learning parties eventually got the mechanics down pat, and beat them.

I know it sounds cruel, but experienced 6 or 7 players shouldn't have to get "cheated" out of 90 minutes of their lives for one or 2 new players. Just because someone is new doesn't mean that they are entitled to an auto-clear. The new player gets mechanics explained and 15 minutes of practice. Que times might be long, but the new player has to keep trying. Eventually they will get it or get to the point that they can get carried.

And I'm strongly against "buying clears" because what's the point of playing the game then?

Sorry for the long post, but one thing is for sure, is that bullying/namecalling shouldn't exist. There needs to be that proper balance.

Experienced player has to understand that DF has the possibility of New/Inexperienced/No skill player being in there.

The new player need to understand that Experienced players have an agenda, and just go in DF for a clear too, and shouldn’t have a sense of entitlement.

What if it's late at night or before a work shift? Or on lunch break or something? The experience player maybe go in because "Oh let me get one more EX-Titan kill for my Nexus before I go to sleep." Should he have to stay there for more than 15 minutes if it's obvious that the new/inexperienced people in there can't get the kill?

Everyone needs to understand that the DF is for everyone. So experienced player don't need to name-call bully the new player.

New/Inexperienced player need to understand that they are not entitled to a 90 minute lesson just because they are new.

The Vote give up / Disband without name calling or voting to kick a certain player is the best balance I think. I've never been vote-kicked before, but I'm sure it must suck to know that you've been vote-kicked. I would rather play the 15 minutes and disband/give up rather than voting someone out. (Unless harassment, name calling, trolling)