Abuse for being a new player, any solution?

[Yumi_umi]

Man lol it makes me sad how this community is becoming more and more " unfriendly "
The general rule since they made ex primals is that
If you haven't had practice with the instance within the first few weeks then be prepared for a lot of wtf i don't even moments.
Doing things when they aren't hot gets u literally burned at the stake by ppl just cuz u chose to do it later.

You go into pf and make a learning party, ppl soon go " i can't see this happening" then leave after a few wipes causing a domino effect.
You go into df and ppl say the same thing and vote abandon after a few attempts.
How are you supposed to get 1st hand exp if you can't even get ppl to not quit.
This counts even for ls mates and fc buds, i'm 90% ppl won't stay for hours on end trying to get you / others a clear if there's nothing in return lol
It's just what it is i guess.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I'll just say this:

While it makes sense to a degree how the JP servers handle DF/PF, we're all here in the English forums, so it's safe to say most of us are playing on NA servers. So how Japan does it holds no weight.

Your time is no more or less important than someone else's in this game; hardcore, casual, or in between. Don't ever think otherwise.

Want to learn something? Queue for it. Sure, watch all the videos you like, make all the PF groups or randomly jump into DF (assuming you can learn through a trial by fire), but JUST. DO. IT. I always say, "Can't burn it if you don't learn it." And you can't learn anything if you don't try. Made a mistake? Good. Won't be the last one. Pick yourself up, learn what you did wrong, then don't do it again. Someone mad? Let 'em be mad. You get kicked? Queue again. TRY again. Keep going til you know it. THEN have the patience and understanding to teach the guy that comes behind you. You were in his shoes once.

And don't let someone else tell you how you should do things. Not unless they're paying your sub.

[Wizhard]

This stems from a fact that these fights have been around for a YEAR now. Yes titan EX is around for a YEAR. Some people can do it with their eyes closed now, while new players have no idea what they are going into. Its not unlike when, say, you get a new guy at work and hes not exactly doing his job properly. You try to help him but sometimes you just /rolleyes.

[Soraki-Muppe]

What that guy, and I would also add the people that voted to kick the OP, have forgotten or never understood from the start is 1: In NA/EU you can't expect a 1-shot from the DF, to expect that is not realistic and to demand it is down right silly. 2: People mess up, even people that have done it before and raging about it solves nothing. 3: Kicking anyone after one wipe, especially a new player, is not good for the community at all and if to many people do that it will hurt us all in the long run. 4: We have all been new at one point and if someone is new today that means that we have a new player in the community, that is not a bad thing.

And lastly, play nice and show respect to one another, that means if you are new say so and ask for advice if there is something that is unclear and if you are an old player at least try to help the new players instead of kicking them after 1 wipe.

[Snugglebutt]

Titan EX I have noticed this behavior more often than any other primal or raid/dungeons. I tried to get around this myself by making PF groups for it explicitly stating no rage quitters, minimum read a guide or watch a video of fight and put both training party and also tried making going for clear party. This is on a very high population legacy server...still end up waiting over 3 hours each time and most of the time does not even start because people are unwilling to hang around in PF group waiting to fill for such long periods, then when get in someone dies or couple people make a mistake at first try and people rage quit and leave which forces me to make another group and waiting around another 3 hours just attempting to try again as it has a domino effect on people who remained.

That pisses me off more than people dying or making mistakes, rage quitters are far more annoying than people who make mistakes. People who throw hissy fits when someone makes a mistake is also annoying, if someone makes a mistake try teaching them politely and in a non-condescending way instead of throwing childish insults. Titan Ex is also the one raid/dungeon that I will never join 'in progress' anymore, every single time I used to try that it would always put me in with one or two people present inside on their way out and no-one else coming in/staying. Not once have I come across an in progress version of that run where it wasn't putting me in just as everyone else is leaving which is why I end up making new group and waiting 3 hours or longer to try again over and over then get screwed over by rage quitters again and again instead.

I have nothing but contempt these days for rage quitters. People who make mistakes don't bother me that much, teach them and help them get better instead. I would say minimum allocate 30 minutes of the run for helping others if wiping before even considering vote abandon if everyone still present, not vote abandon or rage quit and leave after first wipe or couple wipes. Then if after 30 minutes at minimum and if still wiping on phase one every time then there is more justification for vote kick, vote abandon or leaving...if do leave take the consequence of your choice and your penalty instead of insulting everyone else just because they wouldn't vote kick you out to avoid taking responsibility for your choices.

[dcgregorya]

You coming here and complaining about it is exactly why people get like that in game. Don't feed the trolls.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

And where else should he go and be heard then? Please tell me. Because surely this isn't an open forum, relevant to both the content of the game he's encountered a problem in, nor a place where such complaints can be heard and perhaps advice given or even players and devs notified of said concerns, right?

You basically just told the victim of a crime that they were the reason the crime was committed, and that by speaking up only encourage the crime to be further committed. You're wrong for that. I would expect you being a "new" player yourself to not only be able to understand but perhaps empathize.

Shed no tears and voice no complaint if (or WHEN) it happens to you.

[Nexus_Limitless]

I've noticed many will try getting a vote to abandon going, quit, try getting someone else in the party kicked (then quit if there is another wipe or things don't go smoothly for them) as soon there is a wipe, but most of my first clears in extreme battles have come from dedicated players voting against abandoning and trying until we win. When we cleared extreme Thornmarch, we finished the boss within a minute of the time running out. It was a very rewarding victory, despite the difficulty in attaining it.

Personally it makes me more determined to keep trying to win when someone is new to a battle and having a hard time clearing it. Best thing you can do is not become like those short tempered people and don't side with those who start pinning blame on people as soon as there is a wipe. Have a positive attitude and shine as an example of a better type player. Vote no to any abandon and kick votes, unless someone is disconnected or purposely causing problems for the group.

[ZaaZaa]

So I try "Titan EX" for the first time... Then they vote-kicked me. This is depressing.

I mean, it was a mistake.

You will meet douches again in this game and it seems to be contagious at times. PEople going in DF and expect a first shot kill are douhces... BUT, bes way to conter that problem is to explain the group you are new and all you want is to learn and hopefully clear.

It works very well and honestly, the douches don't even try the insults because they know we are in DF and their criticism wont be well received. In the other hands, if you guys wipe a few times in a row, precisely because of your mistake AND people gave you tipes and epxlanation... but yet, it seems you wont just get it.. then i could understand, not the insult part, but the vote kick part. And that, for me, would need A LOT wipes and SAME mistake over and over for me to vote kick.

I actually vote kick the douches who insults the knew guys.

[Marcie]

Obviously the tank was a turd... If he had no time to try and teach you or help in any way, then he was just being pathetic. I did Titan Extreme myself as a Scholar with my free company, a new player joined (White Mage) and he failed miserably on the first three attempts.. My current team and myself decided to give him advice and try train him to the mark during the first three attempts.. fourth time lucky, we downed him. Though I was with my FC and we were pretty damn good.. So maybe a boost in most respects.. Though he only died once on the final round. Moral of the story, new players aren't so bad if you teach them.