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    When you're worrying about your tanking DPS, please recall that fights have mechanics that take precedence over DPSing. You have Adds to pick up and fight, which can distort DPS meters if not configured correctly. Other times you're avoiding things, dodging things, doing other necessary mechanics.

    Not many bosses are 100% uptime on mobs for you to continue parsing high DPS. looked like you didn't have Internal Release. That's a really good cross CD with super short CD, and lasts long enough to be worth it.

    I usually get around ~300+ on T13, at ilvl124, and it involves a lot more running around and down time from whacking mobs.

    So yeah, point is, keep it in perspective of the fight. Don't just focus on the DPS numbers....that's what DPS classes are for. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbul_Stonecleaver View Post
    We have MT keep Brand until FoU. Then OT takes it and still does dps standing to the side. We tank swap during Flames of Rebirth. I suppose we could tank swap during either Flames cast, but this worked. The only issue is OT not attacking during the Fountain, but it's not a big deal.

    Now I need to remove Defiance after I get out of Fountain. I won't need it until we swap, even with Brand hitting me as OT.

    Also, I found Warriors make Revelation last phase easy mode. Vengeance + ToB + IB and SP for all of them in which War is MT.
    Vengeange + IB is more than sufficient for Rev. Timing wise, if you're eating every other Rev, Vengeance will always be up. IB is easy to get w/ combos or Infuriate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nijian View Post
    When you're worrying about your tanking DPS, please recall that fights have mechanics that take precedence over DPSing. You have Adds to pick up and fight, which can distort DPS meters if not configured correctly. Other times you're avoiding things, dodging things, doing other necessary mechanics.

    Not many bosses are 100% uptime on mobs for you to continue parsing high DPS. looked like you didn't have Internal Release. That's a really good cross CD with super short CD, and lasts long enough to be worth it.

    I usually get around ~300+ on T13, at ilvl124, and it involves a lot more running around and down time from whacking mobs.

    So yeah, point is, keep it in perspective of the fight. Don't just focus on the DPS numbers....that's what DPS classes are for. :P


    Yeah its all relative. High DPS hurts your numbers in turns like 13 where the adds phase is on a fixed timer, so you spend a lot of time just waiting for the next set to spawn.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirTaint View Post
    Yeah its all relative. High DPS hurts your numbers in turns like 13 where the adds phase is on a fixed timer, so you spend a lot of time just waiting for the next set to spawn.
    True enough. My groups lucky enough that our DPS is exactly right to drop the mob the second the next ones supposed to come up. I have very little downtime. ^_^
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    Quote Originally Posted by nijian View Post
    When you're worrying about your tanking DPS, please recall that fights have mechanics that take precedence over DPSing. You have Adds to pick up and fight, which can distort DPS meters if not configured correctly. Other times you're avoiding things, dodging things, doing other necessary mechanics.
    Well yea, I put the mechanics and my primary role first and foremost, but at the same time there is no reason a similarly geared Warrior should do more than I can... as I should be capable of replicating the same, or I am doing something wrong.

    But I'm doing alright now. The other night we were at 54% on the fourth Revelation. I am wondering if next week with me going from i115 axe to i130, and bard and monk going from i120-i130, maybe we can push before that fourth Revelation.

    I have heard 260 on wipes around Bennu phase like 5-6 times now, so maybe with the better gear next week I can approach 300 during that time. I don't know what is reasonable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abbul_Stonecleaver View Post
    Well yea, I put the mechanics and my primary role first and foremost, but at the same time there is no reason a similarly geared Warrior should do more than I can... as I should be capable of replicating the same, or I am doing something wrong.

    But I'm doing alright now. The other night we were at 54% on the fourth Revelation. I am wondering if next week with me going from i115 axe to i130, and bard and monk going from i120-i130, maybe we can push before that fourth Revelation.

    I have heard 260 on wipes around Bennu phase like 5-6 times now, so maybe with the better gear next week I can approach 300 during that time. I don't know what is reasonable.
    Going from 115 to 130 axe is big boost to your DPS and the MNK going to 130 is a big boost too. Might see it soon!
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    I just saw some recent Lucrezia numbers for T12 and their PLD put up 380 DPS! That got me interested. So i did some more research and found numbers of his T11 (338) and his T10 at a whopping 431! How is this even possible? I'm happy if i break the 200 mark! He put his warrior to shame who is also no slouch!? This is something i've never seen.

    Gear wise he's pretty much i130 with Dread weapon in BiS WAR gear and full slaying accessories. How much VIT would that leave him with? I'm assuming his healers are more than capable healing him with less than 7500 HP using this set?

    To the Deeps Heavy PLD's out there, are you guys achieving similar numbers? Is this possible or should we just chalk this up as another JP Button event!? I must learn his ways!

    To see his gear check him out on Lodestone
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    I can get over 350 but only for brief periods in FCoB. They are optimist. Right down to healer dos swaps and perfectly timed CDs to match TA, phase changes etc.

    Most of us clear FCoB and are done, they practice it all week trying for speed kills.

    Their PLD is full time sword oath and the WAR MTs most of the hits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirTaint View Post
    I can get over 350 but only for brief periods in FCoB. They are optimist. Right down to healer dos swaps and perfectly timed CDs to match TA, phase changes etc.

    Most of us clear FCoB and are done, they practice it all week trying for speed kills.

    Their PLD is full time sword oath and the WAR MTs most of the hits.
    I only wish he had a video posted. Sounds insane when u look at the numbers on Paper. WAR i get it but PLD's putting up 400+ is just insane let alone 431. He did mention that 7500HP is what he rolls with in T10 and for T11-T12 he goes with 8500.

    Fulltime Sword Oath in T12 sounds pretty nuts too lol My healers start complaining just from me Stance Dancing. Cant imagine taking a Revalation to the face in Sword Oath without some well timed Adlos/Cure2s.

    Do u think he also went 30 Attribute points in STR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PROBOUND View Post
    Fulltime Sword Oath in T12 sounds pretty nuts too lol My healers start complaining just from me Stance Dancing. Cant imagine taking a Revalation to the face in Sword Oath without some well timed Adlos/Cure2s.


    Def 30/30 str, every tank should be 30/30 str at this point in the content.

    Sword oath in 12 isn't that bad with proper CD rotations. You also have to remember their raid damage is so high they skip a ton of mechanics. They probably see only 3 revelations in the first phase, 3 bennu. This allows you to use big CDs and stay in sword oath.

    Its probably something like this: First revelation, WAR eats, he'll still be in defiance due to unchained on the pull. PLD stays in sword oath for the Bennu and uses Rampart. 2nd Revelation PLD uses HG and stays in sword oath. WAR pulls Bennu #2 (defiance down) and pops thrill and conva. Revelation 3 WAR uses HG, PLD takes Bennu with Rampart again.
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